Another pot odds vs. outs question

[linker33]

Trying to get this whole pot odds vs. outs thing down.  Here is a hypothetical situation I was wondering about.  Sorry if the examples flawed.  
I get dealt AA
I raise
Opponent calls
Pot = $5
Flop – 5 8 9
Opponent raises $1

Now my question:	I have 2 outs to hit a set on the turn, so 8%.  Raise is 20% of pot.  So this says I should fold.  But w/ a high pair like this is a decent hand in itself.  Should I call, or is this when its time to let it go?

[Jes_Gru]

You example is flawed.

If you are counting outs with AA, you are assuming that you are behind in the hand, thus you think that your opponent has 67 with that flop.

A better example:

You are dealt T9o

Flop is K 9 2 (rainbow) pot size is 8 small bets.
It is bet on the flop before you, do you call, raise or fold?

[linker33]

So you don't count outs when you already have made a hand, only when on a draw?

[stuck]

So you don't count outs when you already have made a hand, only when on a draw?

You count outs when you think you're behind in the hand, or you could be if someone else makes their hand.

example: you make top set on the flop with two spades; you're not counting your own outs there - you should be taking their pot odds away. On the turn, three spades are out, meaning someone could have a better hand than you (namely, a flush). Now, a big bet here is interesting, and you may or may not want to call, depending. You have 9 outs for the board to pair or for you to hit your quads, both of which would beat him. If you're getting pot odds you should call it every day; even if you aren't, you may want to because implied odds could justify the call.


Don't take this to mean that when there are three spades on the board you should assume that someone has a flush. You need to take into account other factors as well.

[Jes_Gru]

Actually thinking about, we can use your example.

You are dealt AA, you bet big and get 1 caller.

Flop is 5 8 9 rainbow, opp bets into 1/5 of the pot.
I would either assume he has hit his set, has TT - KK, or an overpair, (all strong hands since he called your bet big).

Now if you just looked at pot odds vs a set, you should fold, but he could just a easily have KK and bet strong like that on the flop. Which is why hold'em is such a complex game.