Antes and Blinds

[Spammy12345]

OK my friend seems to think that there are no antes in no limit texas hold me, but if you look at the web blog there are. Can one of you show me a sight where it says it is played with antes. Also he says you cannot raise an all in, even if other people are in the pot. I know that is untrue, can someone please prove this fact also.

[Xianti]

{Moved from Hold'em Strategies}

[Spammy12345]

A website would be the most helpful becuase he wants me to print it out

[Xianti]

OK my friend seems to think that there are no antes in no limit texas hold me, but if you look at the web blog there are.

There are always the two blinds in Hold'em, but typically, antes are only collected in the higher levels of tournaments. I believe this is because there is no rake in tournaments.

Also he says you cannot raise an all in, even if other people are in the pot. I know that is untrue, can someone please prove this fact also.

This is not true at all. If someone goes all-in, but there are other players still to act who have more chips than the all-in player, you can certainly raise. Any additional chips go towards a side pot.

Sorry, but I don't have any website references.

[Spammy12345]

I figured it was basic common sense, but guess not. Anyway thank you. Maybe this will pass, though the 2004 WSOP web blog didn't

[Fnord]

I remember that when I used to play the funny money tables there would occasionally be hands with 3+ side pots. Was very interesting to see the software fit them all on the table.

[Spammy12345]

My friend still thinks that you cannot raise someone's all in because the person all in can't call it. We settled the ante thing thanks to Xianti.

Common sense fails some people miserably

[Xianti]

My friend still thinks that you cannot raise someone's all in because the person all in can't call it.

This is only true if it's heads-up, i.e., only the all-in player and one opponent are left. If there are others still in play, you can raise after the all-in player. Perhaps your friend is missing the obvious: The all-in player can't call any raises after him, but others still playing can, if they have more chips.

If your friend won't believe Xianti, maybe he'll believe PartyPoker:
http://www.partypoker.com/games/how_...as_holdem.html

A player who does not have enough chips to call a bet is declared All-In. The player is eligible for the portion of the pot to the point of his final wager. All further action involving other players takes place in a "side pot", which is unavailable to the player who has already gone All-In. When a player goes All-in, the pot currently at the center of the table, which has contributions from him/her as well, is treated as the main pot, over which the All-in player has rights. After the player goes all-in, all the new bets are placed in a side pot, over which only the contributing players have rights. The All-in player does not have any rights over the side pot. The side pot is then given to the next winning combination.

[Spammy12345]

Thanks. It'll all be settled Friday at our weekly game

[davfagan]

As far as antes are concerned, if you watch the World Poker Tour, they have antes during their shows, in the later stages of their tournaments. The World Series of Poker also does this. If each hand were raked, this would be sort of unfair to the player, but in a tournament it doesn't matter. However, for a home game, I don't think they should really be necessary. In a large tournment though, the antes are such that usually at a 9-person table they add about another blind to the pot, thus making for better odds to call pre-flop, and much better if you steal the blinds.

As far as the all in is conerned, this topic should answer your question, about the second post down, it's not as simple as just always being able to raise more than the all-in amount.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=1366

[Fnord]

Antes are basically a way to force action without pot-committing the blinds.

[Humphrind]

Antes are basically a way to force action without pot-committing the blinds.

I always had a thought that the blinds were an incentive to play hands from early position. That's why the blinds go forward. I've never heard anyone else say this. It's just a random thought.

[Fnord]

I always had a thought that the blinds were an incentive to play hands from early position. That's why the blinds go forward. I've never heard anyone else say this. It's just a random thought.

Yes, but in a tourney you need to force action even harder to push things towards a speedy resolution. At some point increasing blinds just hoses whoever happens to get caught in them with 72o. Antes destribute the pain a little more evenly.

[Humphrind]

Yes, but in a tourney you need to force action even harder to push things towards a speedy resolution. At some point increasing blinds just hoses whoever happens to get caught in them with 72o. Antes destribute the pain a little more evenly.

But most tournaments (at least the online ones I've been in) will add an ante, but keep the blinds, so Mr. Short stack will still get hosed with his 72o. I'm not arguing with increasing the blinds to get a speedy resolution. However, I am reading, and re-reading and I think you are saying there are tournaments that replace blinds with an ante. I've never seen these.

[Fnord]

But most tournaments (at least the online ones I've been in) will add an ante, but keep the blinds, so Mr. Short stack will still get hosed with his 72o. I'm not arguing with increasing the blinds to get a speedy resolution. However, I am reading, and re-reading and I think you are saying there are tournaments that replace blinds with an ante. I've never seen these.

You misunderstood. Antes are added with the blinds, so action can be forced without increasing the blinds further. Mr 72o in the BB still gets slammed, but not nearly as hard.

[Humphrind]

You misunderstood. Antes are added with the blinds, so action can be forced without increasing the blinds further. Mr 72o in the BB still gets slammed, but not nearly as hard.

Gotcha!

[xeqtr]

Has this issue not yet been resolved?

Yes, there are antes in all forms of texas hold 'em.

Yes, a person can raise an all-in.

And yes, that's all there is to it.

[Spammy12345]

yes it was settled, had a poker game today with the kid and others.