A9s HU

[mondayscool]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players

SB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $12.72 (127.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 A
SB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.70

Flop: ($2) 9 8 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, SB calls $1.60

Turn: ($5.20) T (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $2, Hero raises to $10.12 (villain has $5.40 behind)

was a six max table that was dieing

villain is 30/25 fold to 3b 1/4, fold to cb 1/5, over 64 hands (most of these at six max though)

not clear what the play is OTT. not sure if he folds anything that's ahead of OTT. although i guess it's important that we get it in vs. two worse clubs, maybe he can call with 8x? still though he's got a shitload of two pairs in his range i think, not to mention a few straights as well, sets. i can't see c/f being good, nor c/c but i definately could be wrong. am i overestimating the strength of his b/c range?

thoughts?

[Icanhastreebet]

I hate 3bing pre unless you have the read he never folds any Ax ever etc.

I'd snap you here with all 9x+ in a heartbeat. Your line screams exactly what you have, you just happen to have the top of it in this case. You should just continue betting the turn or c/c the turn. If you had an actual hand, 2pair+ you would never risk giving up free cards on this turn unless you absolutely know beyond a shadow of a doubt villain is going to bet everything when you check to him(some kind of timing tell or huge tendency).

You should be thrilled to c/c with his sizing. You have 14 outs a lot of the time and you could already be ahead.

I'd also donk anytime we catch because with this turn sizing he's never going to bet river for you on A/club/9.

[daviddem]

What is your reasoning behind the c/r?

[spoonitnow]

Call pre-flop, lead turn.

Edit: nm yaawn said that already

[mondayscool]

What is your reasoning behind the c/r?

didn't know wtf to do, it was basically a derp button click. i was like, "pair and a flush draw! get it in!"


thanks treebet and spoon.

unclear on why no 3b pre? because basically turning semi-value hand into bluff? is it similar to 3betting 88 in this spot? or is it because it's a spot where when i'm ahead it's not by much and when i'm behind i'm way behind?

[daviddem]

I am also interested in yaawn's and spoon's 3 betting ranges in this spot against this opp.

[spoonitnow]

I am also interested in yaawn's and spoon's 3 betting ranges in this spot against this opp.

Worse doesn't call, better doesn't fold, blah blah same shit different day.

[daviddem]

idk, the guy raises wide and seems to be a station facing 3bets, I can see him calling with a lot of worse hands.

1 in 4 fold to 3b may not be a very significant sample, but it's still quite unlikely if he really normally folds 75%. Add the heads up dynamic and I can see him calling with a lot of suited connectors, broadways, worse aces, etc.

[Luco]

Worse doesn't call, better doesn't fold, blah blah same shit different day.

Hello new sig

[spoonitnow]

idk, the guy raises wide and seems to be a station facing 3bets, I can see him calling with a lot of worse hands.

1 in 4 fold to 3b may not be a very significant sample, but it's still quite unlikely if he really normally folds 75%. Add the heads up dynamic and I can see him calling with a lot of suited connectors, broadways, worse aces, etc.

Sure, occasionally he's going to call with worse hot/cold hands. With that argument, we should 3-bet K2s for value out of position.

[Icanhastreebet]

idk, the guy raises wide and seems to be a station facing 3bets, I can see him calling with a lot of worse hands.

1 in 4 fold to 3b may not be a very significant sample, but it's still quite unlikely if he really normally folds 75%. Add the heads up dynamic and I can see him calling with a lot of suited connectors, broadways, worse aces, etc.

How do you know he raises wide HU? Even if he is calling half of his opening range and he's opening 50% we can assume most of the hands we actually crush fold. Suited connectors/broadways all do well v us and I wouldn't expect most of the good scs/broadways to fold that doesn't mean we auto 3b all our Ax. I highly doubt he is calling A2o-A7o. But keep making ridiculous assumptions readless.

Basically you are taking what's probably a very +eV cold call(when we cc he has all Ax etc) and turning it into what is probably a slightly +eV 3b and since we have no idea how to play postflop(Re: this hand) we are throwing away that eV as well in a bloated pot OOP.

[daviddem]

FWIW the reason I assumed he raises wide is that OP says he play 30/25 at 6 max and folded only 1 in 4 to a 3b, also at 6 max.

Not saying it's always right to 3b here, or wrong to call, I was just reacting to Spoon's post saying he never calls with worse. I'd agree that he is unlikely to call with A2o-A7o, and that A9s is not exactly a great hand to play OOP in a 3b pot.

And I am still interested in your 3b and calling ranges in this spot.

[Icanhastreebet]

FWIW the reason I assumed he raises wide is that OP says he play 30/25 at 6 max and folded only 1 in 4 to a 3b, also at 6 max.

Not saying it's always right to 3b here, or wrong to call, I was just reacting to Spoon's post saying he never calls with worse. I'd agree that he is unlikely to call with A2o-A7o, and that A9s is not exactly a great hand to play OOP in a 3b pot.

And I am still interested in your 3b and calling ranges in this spot.

Iunno because rake at 10NL is murder so you have to cut out the bottom of your cc range and 3b wider a little v ppl who are going to fold a lot to 3bs etc

v this villain with current reads 3bing like ATs+,ATo+,QJs+,QJo,KQo and ccing like 22+,Axs,A8o+,98o+,76s+,86s+,97s+,T7s+,J7s+,Q7s+,K5 s+,T8o+,J8o+,Q8o+ and K8o+ would be a start. You can drop the bottom of this. It's tight as it is though because we have no idea what this guy is doing and playing tight HU as a general strategy is never going to be bad until we have some idea how he is playing. It does not take much for these to change though because I hope you understand HU is incredibly dynamic and strategies should be constantly changing.

I'm too lazy to talk about why we aren't 3bing polarized to start but it should be obvious.

[bigspenda73]

should do something funnier on the flop w/ your sizing, or even c/r

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