AKo on BTN 3-Bet Pot

[agnesamurphy]

Lock Poker Turbo NLH 9-max $1.5 + $0.1 -- t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players

MP1 - 1,500
MP2 - 1,490
HJ - 1,290
CO - 1,205
BTN - 1,470
Hero (SB) - 1,185
BB - 2,360
UTG - 1,500
UTG+1 - 1,500

Dealt to Hero - K A

2 folds, MP1 raises to 80, 3 folds, BTN raises to 169, Hero calls 159, fold, MP1 raises to 614, BTN is all in 1,301, Hero folds, MP1 calls

I haven't been on Lock Poker long, so I don't have a HUD. I also haven't played with any of these players before. This is only like our 20th hand and the first 3-bet pot, so I don't much to go on.

Was my call behind the 3-bet okay, or should I have 4-bet jammed instead?

[Koko the Monkey]

Calling here is the worst option. At these stakes I think I would just shove. You are already 300+ chips down from your starting stack.

How tight do you normally play in the first few levels?

[agnesamurphy]

I would say I'm tight. I do have ranges for each position, but obviously AK is playable from all positions.

[Fielmann]

I agree with shoving it the first time around. As played, fold is probably ok, if you haven't noticed them being maniacal.

[Luco]

I agree with the above posts, jam over the 3bet.

I rarely, if ever, fold AK at these stakes but your fold here is fine.

[Pascal]

Can't add anything that hasn't been said. AK has great equity regardless of any realistic 3betting range you try to give button. Shove over the 3bet, especially out of position when you're going to struggle to play for stacks when he misses/hits worse as you look very strong and you're going to end up check folding a lot

[donkbee]

I would 4bet/call

[Pascal]

Why 4bet? Villain will never 5 bet bluff shove but might fold stuff they'd call to a shove like JJ/AQ

[donkbee]

Why 4bet? Villain will never 5 bet bluff shove but might fold stuff they'd call to a shove like JJ/AQ

I disagree with everything you said. There is always some % chance any given villain will bluff if you 4bet less than all-in, whereas if you just shove, there is 0% chance. Also, they are never folding those hands to a 4bet if they were calling a jam in the first place. Shoving makes too many hands fold, whereas 4betting smaller gives people the chance to see the flop with dominated hands (that wouldn't have called a jam).

[dthorne04]

Why 4bet? Villain will never 5 bet bluff shove but might fold stuff they'd call to a shove like JJ/AQ

[simpledude16]

Can't add anything that hasn't been said. AK has great equity regardless of any realistic 3betting range you try to give button. Shove over the 3bet, especially out of position when you're going to struggle to play for stacks when he misses/hits worse as you look very strong and you're going to end up check folding a lot

You should just not post strat

I would 4bet/call

/thread

[Pascal]

heyo it's the Canadian crew ganging up on me

What I was trying to say is that in a $1.6 SNG a small cold 4bet is going to be perceived as way stronger than a 4bet/shove IMO.

[Luco]

I disagree with everything you said. There is always some % chance any given villain will bluff if you 4bet less than all-in, whereas if you just shove, there is 0% chance. Also, they are never folding those hands to a 4bet if they were calling a jam in the first place. Shoving makes too many hands fold, whereas 4betting smaller gives people the chance to see the flop with dominated hands (that wouldn't have called a jam).

It's a $1.50 SnG - I'd be expecting at least one call even with a jam here. Still, I really like your post.

What I was trying to say is that in a $1.6 SNG a small cold 4bet is going to be perceived as way stronger than a 4bet/shove IMO.

I understood what you meant in your last post, weak means strong etc

[simpledude16]

heyo it's the Canadian crew ganging up on me

What I was trying to say is that in a $1.6 SNG a small cold 4bet is going to be perceived as way stronger than a 4bet/shove IMO.

its a 1.6$ sng they dont give a fuck what you do they just play their cards and we make them fold too many of there cards with a jam

4b/c is best ainec

[sam1FTR]

Lock Poker Turbo NLH 9-max $1.5 + $0.1 -- t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players

MP1 - 1,500
MP2 - 1,490
HJ - 1,290
CO - 1,205
BTN - 1,470
Hero (SB) - 1,185
BB - 2,360
UTG - 1,500
UTG+1 - 1,500

Dealt to Hero - K A

2 folds, MP1 raises to 80, 3 folds, BTN raises to 169, Hero calls 159, fold, MP1 raises to 614, BTN is all in 1,301, Hero folds, MP1 calls

I haven't been on Lock Poker long, so I don't have a HUD. I also haven't played with any of these players before. This is only like our 20th hand and the first 3-bet pot, so I don't much to go on.

Was my call behind the 3-bet okay, or should I have 4-bet jammed instead?

For what it's worth, the MP is almost guaranteed to call the all-in behind you here. As long as nobody has aces or kings, you are risking your own stack to win 2 other peoples stack if you make your hand.

A four bet jam would probably be best, and just hope you hit your ace or king to take the lead. And hope nobody else hits a set. You have so much equity here on an all in, as long as nobody has aces or kings

[MadMojoMonkey]

For what it's worth, the MP is almost guaranteed to call the all-in behind you here. As long as nobody has aces or kings, you are risking your own stack to win 2 other peoples stack if you make your hand.

A four bet jam would probably be best, and just hope you hit your ace or king to take the lead. And hope nobody else hits a set. You have so much equity here on an all in, as long as nobody has aces or kings

Avoid being results oriented at all times.

The shove is right or wrong based on the odds you're being laid and your equity against the villains' ranges BEFORE they turn over their cards.

EVEN IF one of them turns over KK or AA, that doesn't make it a bad play. Equity is huge and with AK, getting ~2:1 on a call for 5 cards to come, even if you KNEW one of the Villains had KK, you are priced in to call.

And you'd have to have tens of thousands of hands on a Villain to KNOW for CERTAIN that they would only go all-in pre-flop in this spot with AA. Since you don't, you can't claim to KNOW that at all, which means you DO have reasonable doubt to suspect that Villains' ranges include more than a single hand (AA).

DUCY