Possible squeeze fold? Sizing?

[seven-deuce]

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SB ($28.22)
Hero (BB) ($25.60)
UTG ($25)
MP ($24.25)
Button ($13.03)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 6
1 fold, MP bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3, MP calls $2.25, Button calls $2.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.75) J, K, 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks

Turn: ($9.75) 10 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks

River: ($9.75) 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $2.25, Hero folds, MP calls $2.25

Total pot: $14.25 | Rake: $0.64

Only sat for a few hands thought i'd have a decent chance of folding these guys out pre holding an ace blocker plus my pre flop line screams strength.

Thoughts on sizing pre?

[spoonitnow]

Fold pre-flop? Seems like a shitty hand to have in your range.

As played, I think shutting down on the flop is fine since you have no equity and little to no fold equity against two players, one of which is short in a 3-bet pot.

[seven-deuce]

Cheers for the reply, since BTN and SB only called their ranges weren't very strong so the only person i was really worried about having a hand he would continue with was MP and i was holding a blocker to AJ+ combos so figured id have a somewhat decent chance of stealing it pre.

Considering our range, i thought we gained more value by adding weaker hands to our range so if were 3betting solely JJ+ the total value of our range would be less than if we threw in a few weaker hands such as AT+ and a few Ax's.

I suppose folding is better though as our hand doesn't flop well so if we do get called we're oop for a start and we have very little chance of flopping decent equity against what should be a fairly strong continuing range from MP. I think folding>checking.

[spoonitnow]

What's your entire 3-betting range pre-flop? Hopefully answering this question will help you to see my point without me needing to type out a long ass paragraph. :]

[seven-deuce]

I'v never really constructed one tbh, i just adjust it vs the villain during play according to what i think i can get away with and whether i have position or not. Like if a nit was opening utg i wouldn't 3bet JJ QQ AK i'd flat call but id 3bet all 3 vs a looser opponent.

I'd 3bet suited aces from the BTN also suited 1 gappers same from blinds vs BTN opens. If i guy keeps snapping me off preflop i then stop 3bet bluffing but widen my 3bet value range to include AQ AJ KQ possibly KJ and TT+

I just seen the raise and 2 calls and was like "this is worth a steal" then the A blocker just sealed the deal, but i guess folding is better purely from an equity when called perspective.

[spoonitnow]

I'v never really constructed one tbh, i just adjust it vs the villain during play according to what i think i can get away with and whether i have position or not. Like if a nit was opening utg i wouldn't 3bet JJ QQ AK i'd flat call but id 3bet all 3 vs a looser opponent.

I'd 3bet suited aces from the BTN also suited 1 gappers same from blinds vs BTN opens. If i guy keeps snapping me off preflop i then stop 3bet bluffing but widen my 3bet value range to include AQ AJ KQ possibly KJ and TT+

I just seen the raise and 2 calls and was like "this is worth a steal" then the A blocker just sealed the deal, but i guess folding is better purely from an equity when called perspective.

I mean for this particular spot, what range of hands do you think you should be 3-betting?

The point I'm getting at is that once you come up with this range, if A6o is in it, then it's going to be absolutely huge, and it didn't seem like you were aware of that.

[seven-deuce]

I mean for this particular spot, what range of hands do you think you should be 3-betting?

The point I'm getting at is that once you come up with this range, if A6o is in it, then it's going to be absolutely huge, and it didn't seem like you were aware of that.

Ah i see, i think you mean if i continually added hands to my 3 betting range from the starting hands according to rank so after my value hands i'd start adding AQs AJs TT etc then it'd be a massive range by the time i got down to A6o, is this what you mean? I never thought of constructing a range like this before, food for thought.

I thought you were better off constructing a 3 bet bluff range containing weaker hands to balance your strong ones and it would be better to pick hands that flop well such as Ax suited and suited 1 gappers. Preferably with blockers to decrease the chances villain has a continuing hand.

By doing this you'll get enough folds pre and on the flop from c-bets and if you get called you can flop disguised nut hands and also big draws and get it in.

In this particular spot id be 3betting for value:

JJ+ AKs AKo

In this spot as a bluff i think i should be 3betting:

Ax suited, suited 1gappers. and probably not much else.


Am i close here or is my thinking way off the mark?
The reason i'd never really thought of adding hands from just below value range i.e AQ AJ TT etc is because i thought you would get into a lot more marginal spots post flop and could flop a dominated hand, AK vs AQ for example and start value towning yourself. This could be incorrect thinking though as you hold 2 blockers instead of 1.

[spoonitnow]

I thought you were better off constructing a 3 bet bluff range containing weaker hands to balance your strong ones and it would be better to pick hands that flop well such as Ax suited and suited 1 gappers. Preferably with blockers to decrease the chances villain has a continuing hand.

You're right with this.

In this particular spot id be 3betting for value:

JJ+ AKs AKo

In this spot as a bluff i think i should be 3betting:

Ax suited, suited 1gappers. and probably not much else.


Am i close here or is my thinking way off the mark?

My point is that A6o isn't in your 3-betting range here as you just gave it. At that point in the hand, you didn't think about what your 3-betting range should be. Instead you just said, OH SHIT I HAVE A BLOCKER 3-BETS AWAY. That's the problem in your thinking I'm pointing out here (playing your hand vs. playing with your range in mind).

Your range as you gave it above was {JJ+, AK, ATs-A2s, KJs-75s} or so depending on which suited Aces and one-gappers you use. That's about 40 combos for value and about 64 combos as bluffs (~38% value).

Your range as you played it would also include ATo-A2o or so. (Note that A5o-A2o are better than A6o). Your range would then be approximately {JJ+, AK, AT-A2, KJs-75s}, and that's about 40 combos for value and about 172 combos as bluffs (~19% value).

My point here is that because you decided to play based on your individual hand instead of what you thought your range should be, you ended up actually playing with a much different range than you think you should have. It just boils down to playing based on what you think your range should look like instead of playing based on your individual hand. That's all I wanted to point out. It's like:

Dealt a hand --> Okay I have A6o I'm going to 3-bet

Instead of:

Dealt a hand --> What should be my 3-betting range be here --> Do I have a hand in that range?

[Hoopy]

Couple of reasons why this is a bad spot to squeeze as a bluff.

1. Vs 3 people, unlikely they will all fold.

2. We have no reads on how they play.

3. A6o plays awful postflop.

[Fnord]

Pre-flop is ridic standard (some concerns about sizing though.)
Post-flop is ridic standard

[spoonitnow]

Just PM me and I'll give you my Skype info and we can talk about it there.

[kickass]

I love you spoon

[spoonitnow]

I love you spoon

sup dawg

[bikes]

nits. squeeze is w/e, squeeze sizing makes your choice to squeeze p bad.

c/f after the disaster of squeeze sizing.