4NL - JJ in SB against Button open-raise

[maverick007]

Villain is 33/23 over 285 hands. Folds to flop bet - 53% Folds to flop raise 85%


Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($4.04)
UTG ($3.94)
UTG+1 ($6.59)
MP1 ($3.86)
MP2 ($5.31)
MP3 ($1.08)
CO ($3.68)
Button ($2.57)
SB ($3.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
6 folds, Button bets $0.11, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.24) 7, 10, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.44, Button raises to $2.46 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $1.12 | Rake: $0.07

Not raising pre seems a definite mistake.

But as played PF, how would you proceed on the flop?

[kickass]

I wouldn't raise/fold. Either call his jam or call his cbrt. I'm 3b getting this in pre vs a loose shorty given positions.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I can't find a fold with an overpair and a gutshot.

[OngBonga]

Jesus fuck 3bet pre.

As played, call. I expect to see overs+fd AT 99 as well as nuts sets QQ+

edit... after stoving this range vs our hand, we're in much worse shape than I estimated. This is a clear fold.

[daven]

3b pre
as played: short, under-repped, overpair, outs when behind, get it in

[surviva316]

How much does he steal from the button? How does he react to 3b's? I mean, this is like always a 3b pre, but those numbers hold the key....

[Shotglass]

so much

[maverick007]

Dunno how much he steals from the button. I checked his stats later on during my review session. Cant use a HUD on cake poker. Will need to make notes from PT and transfer it to the table while in play.

How would you play if the villain was unknown?

[surviva316]

I'm kinda wary of answering "what do you do if villain is unknown" because it's kind of a very clever way of asking "what's the 'standard' play here," which you're smart enough to realize is a question that won't be liked by people who play poker like it's poker instead of playing it like blackjack where everything's standard.

Anyway, if villain is continuing to 3b's with worse, then I'm 3b'ing preflop for value. If he's folding everything worse, but is opening the button such a massive percentage that folding everything worse means that we're printing money 3b'ing ATC preflop, then we have some decisions to make about how to play our range: we basically want to flat everything that's 0eV or better, 3b the best hands we can't flat profitably preflop (the "best" hands is dependent on how villain reacts to 3b's and how many of those hands we 3b is dependent on how much we can "get away with" before we make it so that villain makes adjustments that are bad for us; note: "bad for us" is a relative term, as villain simply 4b'ing a ton can be a good adjustment for us if it means we can anticipate this adjustment and start 3b/shoving 22+, AJ+, but usually pre-re-adjustments are difficult for both timing and predicting how they will adjust).

^Simplifying it any more than that is really sacrificing the proper answer for the sake of facilitating robot poker.