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    Default 4NL - Pocket Tens in middle position

    Villain is 21/3 over 250 hands

    Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop | saw showdown

    UTG+1 ($1.41)
    Hero (MP1) ($3.92)
    MP2 ($1.02)
    MP3 ($1.55)
    CO ($5.76)
    Button ($4.28)
    SB ($1.80)
    BB ($4)
    UTG ($2.90)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 10, 10
    UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.16, 3 folds, Button calls $0.16, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.54) Q, 9, 3 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.27, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.27

    Turn: ($1.08) 8 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.08) 10 (2 players)
    UTG bets $0.72, Hero calls $0.72

    Total pot: $2.52 | Rake: $0.16

    Results below:
    Spoiler:

    UTG had 8, J (straight, Queen high).
    Hero didn't show 10, 10 (nothing).
    Outcome: UTG won $2.36
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    Don't post results, bet more on flop, fold river
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    Quick comment, you have 250 hands on him, you should be able to do better here than give pre-flop stats to work with.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    I'd fire a 2nd barrel ott
    fold river

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    Bet turn, fold river.
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    dont see why everyone is so excited to bet the turn

    ?wut
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    I bet flop more (.35-.40)
    Turn isnt an auto bet but I would prob bet 1/2 pot bet b/c he could back into some draws here. His 21/3 stats tell me he can have quite the variety of hands.

    Dont call river. Any diamond and any J beats you. He's not betting TP on the river
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinland View Post

    Dont call river. Any two diamonds and any J beats you. He's not betting TP on the river
    fyp
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    yes.....yes you did
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    dont see why everyone is so excited to bet the turn
    hmm, well...could it be this ---->
    Quote Originally Posted by Vinland View Post
    Turn isnt an auto bet but I would prob bet 1/2 pot bet b/c he could back into some draws here. His 21/3 stats tell me he can have quite the variety of hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg View Post
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    think barreling is a big mistake. esp if you have no fucking clue to do on 90% of rivers

    ?wut
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    Step 1: Know how he responds to isolations. The dude obviously limps a lot, and you have position on him, so you should have a plan on how you're going to play your entire isolation range. This is (or at least should be, but people suck at teaching beginners) Poker 101. I'm not sure if you should bet the flop and how much you should bet it because I don't know how often he limp/folds vs how often he limp/calls vs how often he limp/3b's (so, I don't know what his range is going into the flop), and I don't know how often he folds to cbets (so, I don't know what his continuing range is, much less HOW he continues with it), so basically you're just basing your plays on "standard" poker, which is mindless poker that A) doesn't optimize and B) isn't going to get you far.

    R.E.M., son! The first step of that is to take the requisite steps to have some kind of f..king clue what villain has.

    PS: Sorry, if my tone's coming off as berating. I swear I'm not meaning to berate; I'm just making a very useful point in the best way I know how (ie, berating :P ).
    Last edited by surviva316; 07-18-2012 at 12:43 PM.
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    I'm going to say this again because I think it very very very much bears worth repeating in the BC: all over poker theory basically starts with thinking about how you play your isolation range. In this way, I'm being VERY literal when I say that planning your isolation range is Poker101.

    People's biggest weakness at these stakes (and as high as 500nl if you play live) is that they limp too much, so you basically win your money by exploiting this very exploitable habit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    R.E.M., son!
    ... huh?
    What's the Frequency, Kenneth? (of villain's limp-calls)
    Everybody Hurts (when their set gets busted)
    Losing My Religion ('cause the poker gods laugh at me)


    Seriously, though... what do you mean here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    ... huh?
    What's the Frequency, Kenneth? (of villain's limp-calls)
    Everybody Hurts (when their set gets busted)
    Losing My Religion ('cause the poker gods laugh at me)


    Seriously, though... what do you mean here?
    Range
    Equity
    Maximize

    It's a Sklansky thing. Regardless of whether or not you think that all decisions boil down to REM, they certainly all start with Range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    It's a Matt Flynn, Sunny Mehta and Ed Miller thing.
    fyp
    Last edited by DoubleJ; 07-18-2012 at 03:06 PM.
    don't want no tutti-frutti, no lollipop
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    It's a thing I read....in a book.
    I'll be F'ing my own P's around here, thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    I'll be F'ing my own P's around here, thank you very much.
    right-o

    sorry about that

    don't want no tutti-frutti, no lollipop

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