Backdoor Flush - Angry Villain

[The Bean Counter]

Hi all. One thing I've been thinking about lately is backdoor flush draws with 2 overs and would be grateful for comments on my thought process on the flop only (the turn call is fine as villain effectively turns his hand upside down but I clearly messed up on the river). Villain has only played a couple of orbits and seems fairly tight and straightforward and was pretty mad after this one.

Flop: The flat call pre seems odd in ep - without reads I'm assuming small/medium pocket pair most probable. Probably should c-bet, but difficult to make a pocket pair fold and probable float from strong aces. Villain's bet makes me think a pocket pair but possible bluff with overs into weakness. It's at this point I figure there are 15 cards that could improve my hand on the turn as long as villain hasn't flopped an unlikely joint and I can bluff an ace also, meaning I have odds to call. I could also bluff the river if villain checks turn behind. Or is this just pure spew?



***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $5.00 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $14.95 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $12.11 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $17.42 USD )
Seat 5: Player5 ( $9.61 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $3.85 USD )
Seat 8: Hero ( $10.15 USD )
Seat 9: Player9 ( $11.06 USD )
Player4 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd Kd ]
Player6 folds
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.30 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 7s, 8d ]
Hero checks
Player9 bets [$0.36 USD]
Hero calls [$0.36 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
Hero checks
Player9 bets [$0.40 USD]
Hero calls [$0.40 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Hero checks
Player9 checks
Hero shows [Qd, Kd ]
Hero wins $2.17 USD from main pot
Player9 doesn't show [9d, 9c ]

[d0zer]

just fire flop & turn. Playing this passively on the flop is a disaster, there's very little worse that villain will be betting. We need FE to make this +EV.

[kickass]

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($3.85)
Hero (UTG+1) ($10.15)
MP1 ($11.06)
MP2 ($5)
CO ($14.95)
BTN ($12.11)
SB ($17.42)
BB ($9.61)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is UTG+1
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30, 5 folds

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.47, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($2.27, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Final Pot: $2.27
Hero shows

MP1 shows


Hero wins $2.17 (net +$1.11)

MP1 lost $1.06

[OngBonga]

Checking this river is the worst thing you can do, I mean how the fuck are you supposed to bluff this river if villain knows you check flush? Taking this line with overs + backdoor is better if you plan to bluff turn or river, which means you absolutely must bet river, whether you make a hand or not.

Not that this is a good floating spot, we raised pre so we should cbet this. I''d be taking a b/f b/f b/f line here.

[daven]

bet flop
bet river as played

[Icanhastreebet]

just cbet, c/c is not going to show a profit
river iunno it depends v the average 10nler though it's a clear bet I guess(are ppl rly checking 99 here all the time?)

[Fnord]

+1 check/calling the flop is doing some pretty bad things for you:

It's defining your hand as one you're not going to bet or want raised on the flop. So unless some other weird dynamic is going on, a simple read of your hand can heavily discount the top of your range.

It doesn't give your opponent a chance to fold weak hands.

Unless you think he's going to bet a very large % of the time when checked to, you're setting yourself up to in put money against his best hands when you're only drawing two 2 over-cards that may or may not be good.

The river check is just plain failure to think through your hand reading (note the information leakage with his turn bet sizing.) Because if you think a lot of his range is pairs, he's either not going to see value in betting the river or chicken out on making a thinish value bet with hands like TT or 99 or 66. If he has 55, then good for him.

[The Bean Counter]

Thanks for the feedback all. I'd normally b/f flop and turn but have been trying out some weird lines against some of the nitty 10nl regs on Stars lately with some success (whilst it's cheap - admittedly, this is not one that went well or worked). There's a lot of players at 10nl on Stars however that can't lay down a medium overpair on 2/3 streets to a bluff and flat call all the way, which has cost me a fair bit lately.

Just to get back to my original thinking: if I was in position and facing a c-bet on this flop, would you be more likely to float with a backdoor flush draw with the 15 or 18 cards that I mentioned originally?