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  1. #1

    Default 86o straight draw $0.02NLH

    I refer to this in my operation thread. I had the straight on the flop and did not bet because hesitated (my hands were at the low end of the straight). The villain checked here, so maybe if I had bet he would have folded then. I did bet on the turn, thinking it is worth the shot, got raised and folded.

    As ever, I value your thoughts.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($2)
    MP1 ($0.70)
    MP2 ($1.21)
    CO ($1.84)
    Button ($1.74)
    SB ($0.78)
    Hero (BB) ($2.16)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 6
    4 folds, Button calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.05) 7, 9, 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks

    Turn: ($0.05) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.08, Button raises to $0.22, Hero folds

    Total pot: $0.21 | Rake: $0.01

    I hope folks don't mind me posting hands that would be so easy for many of the people who will reply. I want to reinforce my learning so far!
    Last edited by binky bee; 02-26-2012 at 08:29 AM. Reason: Add detail
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    you have a flopped straight!

    pot flop and stack off if villain is willing.

    as played, 3bet AI turn and sometimes you will chop w/ another 8, sometimes he will have KQ/Q8 an have you beat but you will see a lot of JT/J9/QJ/J7 and sometimes other Qx/JsXs,to make this a +EV shove on turn at these stakes

    but if his stats are tight and/or you dont think he is rasing w/ less then an 8, then the fold is good, cause we loose or tie and the call or raise would be -EV.
    Last edited by Razvan729; 02-26-2012 at 09:44 AM.
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    I assume you now you flopped a straight.
    you can donk the flop to get a pot growing or chk raise if your villain is aggro spewy. I think the turn is a good fold. your chopping or your beat.
    dont 3 bet jam here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    I assume you now you flopped a straight.
    Yeah, I know. Basically I bottled it!
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    I can't find a turn fold for this price. I'm pretty much never checking this flop in a limped pot unless villain is insanely aggro.
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    There are situations where having the low end of the straight can be a very important factor to consider. This isn't one of them. The only holding that has you beat is J9, and that's only a tiny portion of anyone's range for limping the button.

    As already noted, you should be willing to stack off, and if he already has you beat or draws out, so be it. Since you're so far ahead vs his range, your main concern is how to get him to put as much money in the pot as possible. With only 5 cents in the pot and effective stacks of 1.72, it's far better to start building the pot since it may take 3 streets of betting to get the stacks in.

    So bet a normal amount on the flop. If he doesn't have enough to call, all it costs you is the possibility that had you checked, he would have bet with his air. But having air, he'd fold if you check-raised and very likely fold if you just called then bet out on the turn.

    Otoh, he's likely to call a normal-sized bet with quite a bit of his range - possibly any pair, a flush draw, combo holdings, even two overcards. And if he raises, that's fine. Your chances of getting him all in by showdown just spiked. He can have a lot of hand that are drawing quite thin such as overpairs he tried to get tricky with pre-, sets, top pair hands and flush draws.

    As it is, after the flop went check check then he raised your turn bet on a blank, there's still no reason not to want to play for stacks. The question is whether you have a better chance of getting him to put in his remaining stack by just calling or by re-raising.
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    how the fuck is the J a blank
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    how the fuck is the J a blank
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    really easy flop bet. pot is really small and we don't want to rely on villain to build a pot for us. In general that's a horrible habit with strong hands so take the initiative and build that pot for yourself.

    Turn, well this is often what happens when we slowplay big hands on drawy boards, we get a bad turn card. This isn't a bad card so much in that it improves his hand (it does sometimes, sure), but it makes the board look a lot more scary so getting value from worse becomes harder, so your overbet is kinda bad when there's an obvious straight and you don't have the nut straight trying to get value from an 8. Lots of bad turn cards when the flop is wet like this. When he raises your overbet I'd just call as we have the obvious straight, and if he's willing to stackoff most likely he'll either have the 8, Q8 or KQ and 3-betting narrows his range too much to those hands that beat us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjonius View Post
    The only holding that has you beat is J9, and that's only a tiny portion of anyone's range for limping the button.
    what am I missing?
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    what am I missing?
    You're missing the fact that he either made an obv typo, or lacks very basic card-reading. Probably the former given that he's able to post on an internet forum and seems relatively literate.

    This is the kind of probabilistic reasoning surrounding incomplete information you need as poker player, you cunt

    Last edited by d0zer; 02-26-2012 at 02:28 PM.

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