Flat, 3b or Fold ed. 1

[surviva316]

I might make this a series or I might post other HHs in this thread (and you're welcome to as well), but as I'm remembering how to play poker, these are the spots I'm trying to relearn the most.

On to the hand: open limper is a fish from the few hands I have on him. Like 25/0 over 40 hands. I think he may've l/f'ed before, but I don't remember tbh. No big postflop reads.

MP who iso'ed him is a 27/19 reg over 100 hands. Not extremely positionally aware but he is already like 3/7 iso'ing and is now doing it again.

Refer to the thread title.

Merge No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (6 handed) - Merge Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($4.40)
surviva (BB) ($11.44)
UTG ($2.25)
MP ($4.91)
CO ($2.55)
Button ($4.87)

Preflop: surviva is BB with 2, 2
UTG calls $0.04, MP bets $0.16, 3 folds, surviva?????

[Huey_Freeman]

How likely is villain to stack off (which is what gives you your implied odds) with his MP open?

[surviva316]

How likely is villain to stack off (which is what gives you your implied odds) with his MP open?

The limper is a fish who isn't playing the loosest range ever, so he may be a bit prone to stacking off. But he's half-stacked and I have terrible position on him (both relative and absolute).

Iso'er is a reg who might have a wide range for iso'ing, so I'll get his stack a lot less often

[Huey_Freeman]

Prob a fold imo.

[Roid_Rage]

I fold considering we're OOP and we can't be sure that either will stack off semi-lightly.

The fish may or may not l/f (possibly l/3bet but unlikely) and reg has shown propensity to iso, so his range probably isn't very tight, thus it will be harder to get value on all but the best of flops.

There's an argument for 3betting, and I'd probably do it some % of the time if I were IP, but w/o solid postflop reads on either with us being OOP, its a fold for me.

[Roid_Rage]

Also, nice one on the thread, think this is a really good idea. I'll try to make some contributions of my own once I collect some hands.

[rpm]

fold > 3b >>> call imo

[Vinland]

^ Agree with rpm.
If I had some good fold to 3bet stat on MP I would be willing to 3bet but not here

[StarGrinder]

Its a fold for me but I'm a nit ootb... esp w/o enough hands on villain. I'm never calling fwiw.

[Roid_Rage]

There's definitely a situation in which calling is profitable here, given certain reads on the reg or if the fish is a massive station w/ TPWK/MPTK, etc.

Like say we have 2k hands on reg, and have a read/note that says consistently stacks off light in pots where he iso'd vs other regs or w/e. Thats obviously not the situation here, but its plausible given enough time vs villain and hero taking time to gain reads on regs at his stakes.

[gingerwizard]

I might be crazy but the 30-1+ we've got against MP might just be enough to set mine and will make up for the times we hit and he doesn't stack off. The presence of the fish only means we need shorter implied odds because some of the time we hit and MP gets away cheap, the fish will station his TP. Also, we almost never don't make something if we hit and check to the raiser in a 3-bet pot. Again this shortens the implied odds required.

[DonkWannabe]

I'd either fold or call hoping to set mine. Being OOP I'd need to decide if they would stack off if we hit. 3 bet tho.... bad idea, if raised you can fold, if called your oop if you miss and a check looks weak.

[Roid_Rage]

It's not a 3bet pot.

[kickass]

I agree that a fold is best vs thinking oponenents with fold buttons. just want to throw in this arguement. this is 4nl are the villains at this stake really good enough at foldin TPWK or small overpairs or whatever they hit and fall in love with, that a set mine is flat out unprofitabe. I made all my money at 2nl-5nl set mining and I dont think I started to care about good spots to do it until very recently.

[Roid_Rage]

I'm not saying flatting the raise OOP here is unprofitable, its just not a spot I'm very comfortable with playing. That could be my TAGnit days coming back to haunt me though. I'd just rather have some (even slightly) better reads on one or both villains to give me assurance they can be retarded w/ TPwhateverK.

[daven]

fold