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    Default villains first hand. give him respect?

    this is villains first hand, should I just give him respect. if so where?

    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
    7 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($20.92)
    UTG+1 ($4.55)
    kickass (MP) ($10)
    CO ($4.90)
    BTN ($10.36)
    SB ($12.60)
    BB ($10)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 7 players) kickass is MP
    2 folds, kickass raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.90, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $0.60, kickass calls $0.60, SB folds

    Turn: ($2.10, 2 players)
    BB bets $1.50, kickass calls $1.50

    River: ($5.10, 2 players)
    BB bets $2.90, kickass calls $2.90
    Last edited by kickass; 01-15-2012 at 08:40 AM.
  2. #2
    I'd hate it, but turn seems best to fold. I'd rather bluffraise than call.
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    I like Reraising the flop.

    Meh the turn but as played I probably call and fold the river.
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    i do think my line is prolly the worst but why raise the flop, I wouldnt want a call. say he did call are we betting this turn? what turns are we betting?
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    Why would we fold the flop? At this point villain likely has a FD of which there a loads of possible combos or AQ. He could even have sets. His sizing looks valuey.

    Without reads it's a tough spot.

    If I felt like I'd been having a good session I'd probably call down. In a bad session, I'd just cut my losses and fold the turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    What do you think hero has here, a gutter? Folding flop is absurd, folding turn is bad.
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    i dont see how a hand vs an unknown could be affected by the rest of your session, this sounds like your making your decisions based on how you feel and not on what the most +ev decision is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    i dont see how a hand vs an unknown could be affected by the rest of your session, this sounds like your making your decisions based on how you feel and not on what the most +ev decision is.
    You sound like you're a perfect poker player and don't make any mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huey_Freeman View Post
    You sound like you're a perfect poker player and don't make any mistakes.

    You sound like you're about to get banned




    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    this. raising flop has merit as well.
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    to me it seems that the typical unknown at 10nl calls too much and doesn't tend to bet multi-street without strength. The reason I suggested raise or fold is that the only line that makes sense if you call the flop is to call three streets on most runouts, and that isn't often profitable vs this kind of villain. I concede (you got a point carrots!) that folding the flop is maybe the worst of the three options, but calling is only good with a plan.

    Raising the flop gets value vs his draws and his weak made hands. If you raise flop and he calls then turn play depends on card and villain's action. Expect that you're ahead when he calls vs your flop raise and go from there.
  13. #13
    I don't like calling and folding is garbage. Raise flop. If he calls or 3bets then re-evaluate his range. I know you what you're thinking... that you don't want to bloat the pot with a one-pair hand but 'default' villains do this shit all the time with a wide range of hands.
  14. #14
    Raising flop is nice as it gets value out of all kinds of toss he'll call with and takes the initiative which I prefer to calling down with TPGK.

    Interested to read the mod's call call call line. Is this because we've basically not folded any of the flush draws or worse queens out of his range so we've still got nice pot odds to call vs range? I would definitely have folded river and maybe I've found a leak here.
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  15. #15
    On this run out it's tough for him to have much due to card removal, AQ probably squeezes some % pre + we have a Queen, loads of draws (clubs/J9s/98s/KJ) missed so call imo.
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    Looks like a pretty standard call down against an unknown.

    I'm interested in why so many of you think that we can get value from draws/weak made hands. Do we think villain would be calling a raise with draws/weak made hands? I would imagine that draws that are donking here would bet/3b a good amount of the time.
  17. #17
    river is close imo but call/call/call is standard against any reasonably aggressive palyer.
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