QQ vs fish

[kickass]

mmm thinks im doing it wrong
ive just sat down 3rd hand villain 51/27 over 37 0% fold 2 3 bet but small sample might not have been 3 bet before



$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG LETGEL ($4)
UTG+1 jjranger ($2.83)
MP1 HoKaLaTe ($4)
MP2 dziaber ($3.84)
CO Alexey_M_1 ($10.24)
BTN kickass ($10.54)
SB monchesco ($10.46)
BB GenOK7777 ($2.71)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) kickass is BTN
4 folds, Alexey_M_1 raises to $0.30, kickass raises to $1, 2 folds, Alexey_M_1 calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15, 2 players)
Alexey_M_1 checks, kickass bets $0.80, Alexey_M_1 raises to $2.30, kickass folds

Final Pot: $5.25

Alexey_M_1 wins $5.07 (net +$1.77)

kickass lost $1.80

[eugmac]

Dude what's with the pussy bet on the flop? What's with folding after he raises what he also perceives as a pussy bet?

[rong]

From the title, I assume villain has QQ?

[gingerwizard]

pf fine, bet flop $1.50.

Your flop bet is weak and so he'll raise a wide range perceiving that weakness. Given that a fold is terrible, but not as bad as the flop bet.

[seven-deuce]

Whats villains range opening from the CO? lets assume its A9-AK, 22-AA, 67-KQ both suited and off suit. Which of these does he flat a 3-bet with OOP im guessing 99-QQ, AJ-AK and possibly some JT-KJ suited broadway type hands depending on how loose he is. Assuming he 4bets only KK+AA.

What part of this range does villain check the flop with probably AJ-AK with no heart draw also the other missed broadways with no hearts. Also 99.

You bet 0.80 i think this is far too small and agree with gingerwizard 1.50 seems good.

He check raises, what in his range would he check raise? Well since your bet is so weak this could widen his range a fair bit depending on how aggressive he is.

Id assume hes check raising 99 TT JJ QQ with a heart or without also Nutted heart draws AJ AQ AK with ace of hearts also his flopped flushes. I don't think he has any complete bluffs in his range here.

Now we have a range 99-QQ AhJ,Q,K

Against this on Pokerstove you have 46.456% equity. Since you are IP and have decent equity i would probably peel one off and hope its a brick to see how villain reacts on the turn and go from there.

The only made hands beating you in his range are 99 and a flopped flush, see a turn card and how villain reacts.

[kickass]

From the title, I assume villain has QQ?

Witty

Agreed misappropriated some good advice I think. I thought flop bet with QQ no heart on a mono board would be pretty thin so make it smaller, this may have induced his raise but after fucking it up on the flop I think folding is best no way to salvage this mess, ill be playing alot of guessing and hoping games in a big pot. Thanks.

[StarGrinder]

If you were trying to induce a spaz on the flop then congratulations, you succeeded. Bet at least 60% on the flop and plz put fishy fish on a range. Folding the flop isn't as bad after you've put in a nice bet size but then again he's a 51/27 spaz fish so he could think A9 is the nuts.

[Hoopy]

Bigger pre vs this guy, his calling range is unlikely to change for a few extra BB.

[OngBonga]

Yeah bet pre bigger for reasons stated above. I happen to like the flop bet if we're trying to induce spew, but only if it's read based and only if we're not folding. By all means make these pussy bets to induce spaz, but don't fecking fold when he spazzes.
Either that or bet the flop like a man, he'[s not folding flush draws, top pair, middle pair, fuck he might even call 33. He usually folds his air though so I like the idea of giving him rope by betting like a girl on the flop, but I reraise all in when he goes mental, because his calling range is ludicrously wide.

[JKDS]

A problem i've put thought into is along the lines of how to interpret villain's reaction to various actions from hero. For instance, if i raise 2bbs from the button with any two cards...is the bb gonna start 3betting more? Calling more? How do I deal with that? Against villains with big enough samples...its going to be next to impossible to even detect he's doing anything different until much much later...so we're left playing a guessing game of "Is he running hot, or is he fucking with me due to my sizing change?"

Similarly, in this situation you've bet a weird size. This could induce a raise, it could do nothing. I've begun to think, and idk if its correct, that playing as robotically as possible is the way to go. If we bet 2/3-full pot on this board...and villain raised...its more easily interpretted than betting 1/4 pot and getting raised. However...thats just because ppl have more experience betting this particular amount.

In the blinds example...with experience you might notice that you get 3bet and called a ton more..and then we can respond to that. Here though, to get experience in this situation...you'd have to have tons of spots where you're betting small against super loose fish...which is just clearly -ev. (though there is something to be said about doing things your opponent isnt used to reacting to)

So idk, be a man and bet is i guess what im saying.

[Imthenewfish]

Witty

QQ no heart on a mono board would be pretty thin so make it smaller

my understanding of reducing your raise size for thin value is to get your opponent to call with the bottom of their range, not just because we're not a massive favorite vs their calling range

[kickass]

my understanding of reducing your raise size for thin value is to get your opponent to call with the bottom of their range, not just because we're not a massive favorite vs their calling range

looks like you see where my thinking went awry. misappropriating newly learnt ideas, im a fool. glad I posted this hand.

[daven]

$1.40-$2 on flop vs this villain
80c-$1.20 on flop vs most villains is good. Same if you had AhAc.

as played fold

[rpm]

pre is good. flop i go somewhere between $1.6 and $1.8 and happily fold to a C/R. as played i really don't know what to do because i have never bet so small on a mono flop and so don't know what the f i expect villains to do in response.

[bikes]

fold wped