blind defense 3 barrel from SB

[kickass]

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($3.55)
UTG+1 ($11.48)
MP1 ($10.75)
MP2 ($10.70)
CO ($14.97)
BTN ($12.21)
SB ($10.71)
kicKAss (BB) ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) kicKAss is BB
6 folds, SB raises to $0.30, kicKAss calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players)
SB bets $0.40, kicKAss calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.40, 2 players)
SB bets $1, kicKAss calls $1

River: ($3.40, 2 players)
SB bets $2.43, $2.43 to kicKAss ($8.3)?


guy ended up stealing alot but this was quite early on. he seemed to know what he was doing 18/16 over first 20ish
not really sure what I should've done different.
turn a fold if I'm not gonna call blank river, or is it fine as it looks like i'm gonna call so he should be only be v betting hands that beat me. I suck so much BvB I always seem to be throwing away money any time I try to defend

[PKKFW]

Personally I'd be 3betting pre BvB with 77+

As played I'd call river.

[aka_red]

fold turn. fold river.

also what dozer said

Personally I'd be 3betting pre BvB with 77+.

villain calls, flop is J95cc, he checks to you. now what? what about 256r, A62cc, 555r, KJTr?

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fold turn. fold river.

also what dozer said



villain calls, flop is J95cc, he checks to you. now what? what about 256r, A62cc, 555r, KJTr?

+1

[PKKFW]

we have a 20 hand sample on the guy, know nothing of his 3bet continuing range or how he'll perceive a 3bet from us -- I don't see a compelling reason to 3bet here.

True. Didn't actually notice sample was only 20ish too.

villain calls, flop is J95cc, he checks to you. now what?

Probably check behind. Maybe b/f. If I bet and If he calls flop I shut down unless I improve to a set, in which case I'd bet turn or OESD in which case I might be calling a bet depending on size etc.

what about 256r,

Bet flop and probably call raise depending on size and see what happens on turn and river. From that stage on I'm hoping to get to show down as cheaply as possible.

A62cc,

b/f flop and again shut down if called.

555r,

Bet flop, probably call raise depending on size and once again look to get to showdown.

KJTr?

Check and fold to any bet on turn or river.

[kickass]

why are we 3 betting? i'm not saying your wrong I just want to understand.

[d0zer]

we have a 20 hand sample on the guy, know nothing of his 3bet continuing range or how he'll perceive a 3bet from us -- I don't see a compelling reason to 3bet here.

As played I call, lots of draws missed and he's not repping much.

[birdman417]

i would suppose that 3betting pre would let you know whether he is stealing or he has a hand.
*dozers comment was posted while i was typing..i like his reasoning for not 3betting*

I think his turn bet says he has a hand, he is betting into possibly a set of 9s, 6s or a boat without fear.
or he is an aggro moran and he has bupkus.
I mightve folded turn, which may also be wrong, but since you called turn...idk
feels fishy to call, folding seems too tight...at that point i probably sigh, call and plan to reload after taking notes on him

[Hoopy]

Calling river seems good even though his sizing is kind of weird.

[OngBonga]

Is r/f not an option on flop? If he flat calls, b/f non-club turn if checked over, fold if he leads, and check river behind, or fold to river bet (unless we bink a sick one obv).

As played I'm folding turn.

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raise folding does nothing.

[OngBonga]

raise folding does nothing.

Fair enough. I guess I'm bluffing against some of his range, he can fold 88 and maybe TT+ if he credits us for the 9, and I'm also happy for him to abandon flush draws with overs, since he would be getting a good price to call. For sure I'm spewing against part of his range, but I'm expecting him to be pretty wide here. That's why I consider r/f anyway, it's not just a case of finding out where we're at.

Are you considering betting a club turn if he checks over after we flat the flop? That would be another line I would consider.

I just hate to fold the turn really, I think we're ahead of a large part of his range, and we're making a mistake a significant % of the time. But as played, I don't see anything else on the turn, calling turn means calling river, which seems spewier than just raising him on the flop.

I'm not for a minute thinking I play these spots anywhere near optimally, I struggle with middle pairs bvb.

[aka_red]

I guess I'm bluffing against some of his range, he can fold 88 and maybe TT+ if he credits us for the 9, and I'm also happy for him to abandon flush draws with overs, since he would be getting a good price to call. For sure I'm spewing against part of his range, but I'm expecting him to be pretty wide here. That's why I consider r/f anyway, it's not just a case of finding out where we're at.

this has to be one of the worst thought out lines of reasoning for raising flop. i mean really say this out loud to yourself. i mean if your assumptions are true (0%) this is still the worst way to play this specific hand. not only that but if your assumptions are true (still 0%) you should be making SIGNIFICANT adjustments to what i assume to be your standard play. not to mention hunting this player down and constantly sitting on his left.

I'm not for a minute thinking I play these spots anywhere near optimally, I struggle with middle pairs bvb.

knowing you've got a leak is the first step ldo

[OngBonga]

I appreciate your comments zilla, I have many leaks which need plugging.