5NL - KK facing raise on turn

[nonofyobiz]

First off, this player I have to stats on, and he was only playing 1 table. I think we can make a bit of an assumption that he is relatively new and probably pretty loose.

I've been pretty frustrated so far, i've put in 10k hands this month and am break even right now. This is one of the spots i'm loosing a lot of money. I have a premium hand preflop and get set mined and I stack off. On the other side of things, when they don't hit a big hand I win a really small pot.

anyways, do I fold this when I face aggression on the turn and river?
Really what could he get crazy with that I beat?JJ, QQ A10, maybe K10?
His raise was double the pot, so he was pretty anxious to get his stack in.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG+1 ($3)
Hero (MP1) ($5)
MP2 ($7.63)
CO ($6.51)
Button ($4.78)
SB ($5.81)
BB ($2)
UTG ($1.11)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
2 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 3, 10, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.27, CO calls $0.27

Turn: ($0.91) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.43, CO raises to $2.70, Hero folds?????????????

Total pot: $1.77 | Rake: $0.08

Other than this hand, in general, how do you handle different situations when you have QQ+ and it goes down to the river. Assuming there's no overpairs and the board isn't too drawy??

[bikes]

bet the turn much bigger as played just shove it in. had you bet different i could see folding maybe.

[nonofyobiz]

like how much bigger and why?

[bikes]

because a T is not folding, a fd with an over is not folding and 77-99 probably won't fold either.

like .72-.78

give you bet so tiny he could be raising with JJ QQ and a good T to protect his hand against a FD. i mean with this betsizing he could be straight airballing with floated overs. unlikely but possible.

[Carroters]

Yeah, never folding here as played.

[supa]

Uhg, Going against the grain but I really like a fold here. If we had any reads that he could be spazzing then it would be different. But learning to laydown one pair hands even when they're premiums is good abc poker, which is how we should be playing at 5nl imo.

[Carroters]

Uhg, Going against the grain but I really like a fold here. If we had any reads that he could be spazzing then it would be different. But learning to laydown one pair hands even when they're premiums is good abc poker, which is how we should be playing at 5nl imo.

This is true, but I think this is a spot where we're just ahead way too often to fold. Villain has very few combos of better hands on this board, basically only sets which are at an absolute maximum 12 combos and likely less given his line. I think far more like given the sizing we used on the turn are hands like JJ Tx so it doesn't need to be "spazz" as such here, but just a fish trying to protect/get value from his top pair or whatever that's likely the best hand in his mind given our line. JJ/QQ alone are 12 combos - as many as the maximum amount of sets he can have here, and if we even add a few Tx we have enough equity by miles!

[rpm]

i imagine you could get away with 4xing your opens in EP at the lower end of the micros. probably doesn't change anyone's calling ranges and it gets you more value (assuming your opening range here is pretty damn tight, which it should be). /nitpicking.

gotta agree with bikes here. we are missing value by not betting the turn substantially larger. and as played, he will probably have enough Tx/JJ to just shove the rest of the $ in (though had we made a substantial bet, i think his raise would be indicative of a stronger range, and i could see folding)

[nonofyobiz]

k, no more chicken sh1t turn bets. I usually do 75% +, but a video I watched recently made me think 1/2 pot on the turn was enough.
as for the opening raise I pretty much stick to 3x +limpers no matter what pos or hand strength.

I gotta learn to count combos =S

[rpm]

I gotta learn to count combos =S

definitely advise this

[Nekrogovner]

Funny. Its unlikely that villain will drool this much with marginal hand, like pair of tens. He wants to get stack in. He plays NL5. He got something sick. Period. Since villain is unknown lag (yes?), I can see A5, 56, 44 (and other sets) in his range waaay to often in this spot. You might count in JJ-AA. I don't feel like it this one time.

k, no more chicken sh1t turn bets. I usually do 75% +, but a video I watched recently made me think 1/2 pot on the turn was enough.
as for the opening raise I pretty much stick to 3x +limpers no matter what pos or hand strength.

I gotta learn to count combos =S

Make pot bets based on board. In this case you want to charge draws, and get value from Tx, JJ, QQ
And for example in situation where u have Ac 8h 2h, and are up vs a tag and you hold a solid A, like AdQd, you might not want to charge draws, since villain most likely has A high flush draw and thus already thinks he has best hand that can only improve (therefore wont fold river if he misses). Smaller bet would be okay there too.

[lolpwnt]

kinda gross, I guess I don't dislike a fold but given your turn bet size he can now be spazzing out with all kinds of shit and it's so gross. just jam and cringe i guess.

[Alexos]

this betting small thing is a big leak especially at these stakes