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    Default AK misses flop and villain bets really small

    Villain was 47/9 over small sample.

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    UTG+1 ($5.02)
    CO ($5.07)
    Hero ($4.94)

    Dealt to Hero A K

    fold, UTG+1 calls $0.04, CO raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.28

    FLOP ($0.90) J 4 6

    CO bets $0.20, Hero ???

    Usually I'd play fit or fold, but given that villain has really bad stats and bets so small, I'm not sure what to do.
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    a donkbet from a passive opponent usually means that they've hit something

    do you have any other post-flop reads on villain?
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    Just raise like you'd normally c bet. He'll fold lots now and T Q K A are prolly all good turn barrel cards. Just don't fold, even flattings not bad.
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    Hello Coach!

    Gettin' any sleep? har har har

    So...how are you reading that bet, then?
    Last edited by DoubleJ; 08-15-2011 at 11:43 AM.
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    As one he can make with his entire continuing range to the 3 bet, or at least the weak part of it for sure. He prolly has air, underpairs and some Jx. I'll put it this way: his range is probably such that folding on the flop here is probably about the same as folding when checked to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    As one he can make with his entire continuing range to the 3 bet...
    urg - struggling with this, then

    if villain is 47/9, he's raising with {88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo} from CO, according to 'stove.

    how do you refine this into a continuing range, please?
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    He's a station so if he does open something like this then just use most of it. It's pretty hard to give you an exact accurate range. but a good estimate is to use most of it based on his stationy nature. These guys don't like to not see flops with a hand they raise pre. Hence since he likely can't fold to 3 bets and his flop line is weak ass and unrefining in most cases, he likely still has a wide range when action gets to us on the flop.
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    use auto topup

    raise flop and take it from there
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    Raise it up, if you get to see what he has, take notes.

    Ive know 2 regulars at my micro tables with similar stats who donk out smallish like this. One does it most flops regardless, the other does it with 2nd or bottom pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    ...It's pretty hard to give you an exact accurate range....
    Thx Carrotz.

    yeh, i was more after the thought process than the answer. Can we go over this in detail when you get back, please?

    OK, gonna bail now, before i get one of chatzilla's "thread hijack" warnings
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    Don't let donks take your cbet away from you. Raise to like 65c. So often you see folds here.

    edit: Having thought more about this and given the size of his donk, 75c may be better. Thoughts from some better players?
    Last edited by Petulie; 08-16-2011 at 01:06 PM.
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    I think it could be easily more like 55c. Realistically we're still just cbetting here and trying to take down the pot, so keeping the raise small can save us some $ if they did hit and inducing with the weak donk.

    *edit* this moron isn't inducing so forget about my drunk talk. But yeah, 55c for mostly the same reasons.
    Last edited by supa; 08-17-2011 at 11:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleJ View Post
    a donkbet from a passive opponent usually means that they've hit something
    i've actually found the complete opposite. i have noted a lot of recreational fish who blindly donk Ax high and bottom-middle pair in 2b and 3b pots.
    Last edited by rpm; 08-18-2011 at 10:25 AM.

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