Crazy hand to finish my night off...

[tugger]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($1.31)
UTG+1 ($1.91)
MP1 ($4.64)
MP2 ($9.10)
MP3 ($3.13)
CO ($3.78)
Hero (Button) ($6.92)
SB ($2.93)
BB ($3.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3, 3
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) Q, 4, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.06, SB raises to $0.26, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.26, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.91 (All-In), MP2 calls $2.65, Hero raises to $6.90 (All-In), MP2 calls $3.99

Turn: ($16.79) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($16.79) K (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $16.79 | Rake: $0.80





I've been playing like an loon the last few nights, raising pretty much any suited connectors in any position, c-betting any flop and reraising if I think he's weak, limping my small pockets hunting for sets, raising big with my monsters, and I've caused havoc. I'm up nearly $50 in three nights of mayhem. I dread to think the notes people have been making about me when I show down eights full of fours, but fuck them, I've sussed pokerstars micro-levels out! There's really too many fish out there for me to care about the one or two fishers who might suss my game out. And I can make notes too, I can single out the ones to watch out for. So many people call raises that the way to fuck them is to hit flops hard and watch them destroy their own egos as they can't fold top pair alright kicker. And then laugh hard as you outright bluff every street, knowing full well he's flush drawing, knowing full well he's priced out, and knowing full well he's probably folding the best hand at the river. I might even show him my beautiful 73 diamonds.

So it's safe to assume my table image is LAG as fuck, if anyone is noticing these things.

I figured I should call it a night after the dust settled after this hand. It was a rare treat. I'll leave you lot to berate my new approach to micro-levels at stars, and possibly work out what the fuck was going on here.

I need sleep.

[tugger]

How amusing that one fuck got through the filter, but not another one. Is there a limit to how many fucks you can have in a post?

I thought this was a masturbation techniques thread

[surviva316]

[ x ] ez money
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[daven]

what is the point of this post?
is there a question?

[kiwiMark]

Seems standard as poop except that I iso with 33. Not that calling behind stopped you getting stacks in, in this instance.

[tugger]

Sorry, does a thread need a question now? I actually opened it to discuss my new micro-level tactics. That's poker discussion, no?



I didn't take me long to realise SB had a better set than me, and MP2 couldn't let go of his flush draw, so I had to get a side pot going on against MP2 to counter the losses I was about to incur for having a weaker set than the SB.

Sure enough, showdown shows 44 for the SB and A7 spades for MP2, and I actually make a profit when I should be losing nearly $3.


"Seems standard as poop except that I iso with 33."

Isolate pre flop? You mean raise the button pre with 33? I prefer hands like these to be multi-way at micro level, I don't really want to be heads up with 33, I want a set with a few people in the hand, this is where the big pots are at these stakes, multi-way pots against people who can't let go of big hands and big draws. It's funny, really, because I've been raising 95% of pots I enter, but this was one of the few limps. In fact, every time I limped, I felt like I was announcing loudly "SMALL PAIR!!". Still, they didn't get it.

Someone made me laugh, after my A3s beat their A5s, he piped up in the chat bar "A3 is a -ev hand". Waaaaaahahahahaha! And A5 isn't? It does amuse me that people think the +ev game works at 1/2c. It might work for them if they were capable of letting go of KQ on a 37Q flop to a reraise against someone who's been playing hands like 73, but let me remind you again... 1/2c. Not many people are capable of letting go of top pair to serious challenge.

Amsuing more was a hand where I had aces... flop JJ5, I bet 20c, and immediately MP reraises all in to 70c, and the others still in the pot fold. I say in the chat "fcks sake, aces" and fold. The reply, by someone not even in the hand? "Don't lie, donk". Four hands later, he gets aces, and they are obviously in bad shape, yet he can't let go of them. He paid a dollar river bet on a four diamond board... without the diamond, of course. Who's the donk? He left shortly after this hand.

I have found a new lease of life in cash rooms. I have 4 tables running at a time, and yesterday I played around 2000 hands. I've made $50 in three days to eradicate the losses I've suffered thanks to a dry run in MTTs, getting just one cashout in the last 25 games.

Late position I'll raise any suited linked cards... yes, that includes 24s, 36s... and even call if someone min reraises me, which is the favourite micro-level reraise. I'll limp or raise with small pairs... and AK, JJ+ gets raised big. Early position, JJ+ gets raised more, AJo gets mucked without thought, AQo can go too utg, but I'll still raise hands like 45s, 68s, and limp or raise with 22+.

The many times my 74s misses, well, I'll c-bet pretty much any flop, though sometimes I don't, and fold, just to make them think that when I do bet it's for real. The only people who make any decent money off me are those who flat call their strong hands and let me fire again, but some guy who did that to me with top set queens off the flop paid dear when my 35s hit 56789 straight on the turn and river. He went ballistic, but I pointed out that if he's going to let me hang myself, once in a while I'll get lucky. If he reraises me at any point I fold. And besides, I make too much money off people who will call two bets then fold the river when they miss their draw, so I can't stop firing, even if it means an embarrassing and expensive showdown from time to time.

Oh, and if the table wises up to my game, that's fine, I'll just tighten up, or go to another table. There's many more fish than sharks at micro-level. And though I might seem fishy when the table sees I was bluffing with 35s, I remind you again I've won $50 in three days of micro-level mayhem. Fish don't win money, lunatics do!

[JustinSKS]

No, +EV plays win money.

[celtic123]

Thats a good ost , and a good read tugger.

Gl with your game.

[Dash]

"some guy who did that to me with top set queens off the flop paid dear when my 35s hit 56789 straight on the turn and river"

I don't understand this hand....

[tugger]

"some guy who did that to me with top set queens off the flop paid dear when my 35s hit 56789 straight on the turn and river"

I don't understand this hand....

Basically I raised with 35s, got a call, I missed the flop, something like Q68, but bet out, he calls QQ, turn comes 9, I bet, he calls, river comes 7 and suddenly I have showdown value, check, he checks and my straight wins. Slow play punished.

[tugger]

No, +EV plays win money.

That may be true, but rarely do I meet aggression pre flop. If someone has a hand that is beating my range, they should reraise me pre flop. But they don't. They flat. So two in three hands I'll take it down with a c-bet. I might show complete disregard to the +ev game, but even I know that it's about more than just hand selection, you have to play the hand correctly.

And while +ev wins money if played correctly, it's not the only way to make money. I'm now at $155, a peak for me, when one week ago I had $75. I'm making money every day, mostly from playing small pairs to x6 raises, because I know full well they can't let go of jacks to a 246 flop, and suited connectors, because they punish people who can't let go of TPTK, and there's many of those at my level.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realise I am playing the +ev game. I must be to be making money. I know what the limit is with 33 to a raise, I'll go up to x6, that will win me money long term, so long as I average over a dollar profit when I hit my set, which is not a difficult task when someone has raised x6, it's usually TT+/AK, hands most likely to pay you off. As a side note, it's worth a look at his stack, if he has less than a dollar then it's not worth taking a flop.

I'm not aware of the odds of hitting with suited connectors, it gets a bit complex, but I'm guessing it's about 1 in 9 to flop 2pr/better, roughly the same as flopping a set with pp's, but I've no idea what the odds of flopping a good draw are; even a gutshot is worth betting at, since it will get folds enough times to pay for the times you're called/raised. But I try to keep sc's down to a x4 raise because of the dangers of being counterfeitted. High sc's like JQs are a bit easier to fold to a x4 raise, more likely to be dominated, though if I'm looking for 2pr/better/draw then that's not as much a problem.

Key at micro levels is knowing when TPTK is beat, and taking advantage of those who can't let go of these hands when they're beat.

Two hands in half an hour sum it up.

I had QQ, he had JJ. Flop is low. We stacked off, I took about $5 off him.

Later, I have JJ, he has QQ. Flop is low. I check/call every street and lose around $2.

Pot size manipulation is not something most micro-level players think about. They just want their money in when they think they are strong.

If the pots you win are bigger than the pots you lose in similar situations, then you're playing winning poker. You don't need to waste time figuring out his range. Just think carefully about how much money you're willing to invest into any given pot.

Oh, calling small river bets with any pair is something I tend to do. If someone bets 10c into a 50c pot at the river, you only need to catch a bluff 1 in 5 times to break even.

[Pelion]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ath-t9214.html

Read it before its too late.

[Belt]

You don't need to waste time figuring out his range.

This is not a good mindset imo.

[Da GOAT]

jesus

[Carroters]

lol I agree, why ever bother to make a range for your opponent when all you need to do is look at your own and hand pick a number to invest. The stronger your hand the more you invest - ez game.

I'm sick of all you "good players" and your "ranges"

Great post OP. Certainly revoloutionised my game.

[XTR1000]

OP, Im still trying to wrap my head around how all your posts revolve around you being such a hetero-LAGG, while the hands posted always look like call´n´cooler stuff.

[WillburForce]

$2nl balla in da house.

you guys telling me what to do don't know nothing. ik nowz how dis poka stuff goes down dawg!!!

I raise 2-4 sooted cause I ball. I don't need no ranges, I don't need to know odds. shhhhhhhhheeeeet, I'm a $2nl balla. Thats how I roll.

[Chopper]

tugger, you are seriously overheating and are likely in for a shock. but, your strategy is pretty good for this level...that i will give you.

however, a monster of a winrate can also be achieved by 24-tabling and only playing the tightest of ranges, but overbetting them. folding TPGK+ at 2NL is -EV.....and the $/hr is much higher 24-tabling no-brainer poker.

there are many, many ways to skin a cat.

[Pelion]

but, your strategy is pretty good for this level...that i will give you.

Im still not convinced by the plan of classifying almost everyone you play against as morons who cant fold one pair hands, and then proceeding with elaborate 3 street bluffs with hands that are way behind their ranges because "fuckit". You win at poker when you are better than the people you are playing against (or when you are lucky). You have to be pretty terrible to be worse than the people you are playing against at 2NL. It really wouldnt surprise me if you had found an overall winning game at 2NL, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have a tonne of gaping holes in. OP should listen to some of the people in this thread and definitly read the thread i linked.

[Chopper]

after i posted, i thought to myself, "i said that was decent when he says he barrels into stations....hmmmm."

but, i was too lazy to come in and change it. i also realized my post was pointless, as are all the others, since OP isnt going to listen anyway.

[tugger]

but, your strategy is pretty good for this level...that i will give you.

Im still not convinced by the plan of classifying almost everyone you play against as morons who cant fold one pair hands, and then proceeding with elaborate 3 street bluffs with hands that are way behind their ranges because "fuckit". You win at poker when you are better than the people you are playing against (or when you are lucky). You have to be pretty terrible to be worse than the people you are playing against at 2NL. It really wouldnt surprise me if you had found an overall winning game at 2NL, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have a tonne of gaping holes in. OP should listen to some of the people in this thread and definitly read the thread i linked.

But most of them are morons. That's not me being hopeful, that's an observation. I don't go on elaborate 3-bluffs because "fuckit", I do it because I think they are flush drawing. They call/call/fold too often for me to stop with the bluffing.

I listen to everyone who replies to my posts. I might not agree, but I absorb the information and process it before I reply.

Had a look at that link. It's an interesting article. I'll sure go back and read it a few times.

Interestingly, I did creep up to the next level, just to see what the standard was like. Less fish, more people reraising me pre flop. I failed to make any money even at 2/4c playing the way I was at 1/2c. I know I have to adjust when I step up, and I realise I'm picking up some bad habits at 1/2c. But my game works at 1/2c, and I'm not getting bored. Sure, I could play 24 tables and tighten up, but I don't want to play that many tables, it's ludicrous, four is just fine for me, I still have time to roll spliffs and drink tea.



"but, i was too lazy to come in and change it. i also realized my post was pointless, as are all the others, since OP isnt going to listen anyway."

Please, Chopper, don't make assumptions. Too many people are accusing me of not listening, being defensive, blah blah. The truth is, I read everything more than once if I'm involved in the discussion, and I say what I think. A lot of people seem to go on the offensive when they reply to me, which is fine, but it should come as no surprise if my reply seems defensive. I am listening. Are you?

[Chopper]

hey, i listen, too. so, i will change my stance here. i dont have a problem with that.

i would have to pay more attention to your posts, though, to tell if your strategy is good or not....whatever. it just sounds like you take a hard line to your thoughts and may "appear" as you are not heeding the advice. but, i dont know....thats just first glance. i am very much the same way.

however, i will tell you, and anyone else, what they already know AND what i have already mentioned. there is more than one way to beat 2NL. in fact, there are so many ways, its funny.

some of the guys here have made it through the micros. and their advice is correct. however, some (no one in particular) have also lost touch with the micros, and their advice, although "correct" is not the most profitable for the micros anymore. that is either due to their game changing or the general game changing....as things are much tighter than they used to be.....just not at 2NL yet.

there is a great quote from a limit book SSHE that applies to microstakes, imo. basically, when playing loose games, you MUST adjust your play to maximize your profit. and, that is often contradictory to the correct way to play a hand.

when these guys call down like they do, and chase like they do, you can do many different things to increase your profitability. it appears you have found a way. great! keep doing it. however, there could still be a large part of variance in there, so be careful before you construct a post with a tone of arrogance, too. i believe that was the tone and, therefore, caused a reaction.

that is all i am saying.

[Pelion]

Sure, I could play 24 tables and tighten up, but I don't want to play that many tables

Personally I think that would be a really stupid idea. I dont think its great at any level, but when youre still really trying to develop a game you need to be able to concentrate on every hand around you and work stuff out. Playing 24 tables you can probably only concentrate on half the hands youre in yourself, let alone watching hands other players are involved with.

You missed my point on your judgement of players though. By all means judge them as morons if you want. My point is if you think their big weakness is calling too much then bluffing lots is the wrong adjustment to make.

[tugger]

"however, there could still be a large part of variance in there, so be careful before you construct a post with a tone of arrogance, too. i believe that was the tone and, therefore, caused a reaction. "

Yeah, there's variance alright. There will be nights when I fail to hit a single flop hard with suited connectors, and villains will hit top pair and call me down. There will be nights where I have aces, kings and queens all cracked within 5 minutes of each other, costing me $30, such as last night, probably because my raises aren't respected. But correct bankroll management will counter variance, provided I'm not the world's unluckiest person.

But as for my arrogant tone, it's not intentional. I'm not the only one guilty of this either, it's a side effect of forum discussion. I've read many posts from others here and thought to myself "pull your head out of your arse." But after thinking about it for longer, I realise that I probably just misinterpret the tone. We aren't talking to one another, so we don't hear the tone of the statement, we just read it, and often, the wrong tone comes across. That's why so many people argue online.

[tugger]

[quote="Pelion"]

You missed my point on your judgement of players though. By all means judge them as morons if you want. My point is if you think their big weakness is calling too much then bluffing lots is the wrong adjustment to make.

I think you miss my point. If they're calling down with a flush draw, are they still calling the river bet even though they have ace high? Rarely it happens, but even stations fold missed flush draws and straight draws on the river. Their big weakness is calling/calling/folding, these are the people I'm trying to exploit. If I think they're calling me down with middle pair, then I'll adjust, but I do get enough river folds to steal enough pots to pay for the times they actually have a hand, not a draw. And often when someone does hit the flop with top pair or better, they'll raise me, because of the flush draw.

[Razvan729]

i would like to see a graph to argument that 75$ profit playing one week at 2nl.
you are no poker player, you discovered no new and ingenious method to win at 2nl, you are just one of the 90% players at 2nl that plays like this, nothing new to me from you.

i see this play every single day, calling shit, opening shit, betting like nuts with air on 3 streets.

you know what? i love you... cause i fold my AA opening 2-3 times to you or others like you when you raise me AI on turn with air, and i lose to you 30-40 bb, but its ok.... i still love you for calling me and bluffing me... cause my 30-40bb losses come back 10 times more from you, others like you every single day

this is no strategy of yours for 2nl, this is your play and that all ... this is you.... the way you do your math for a 72 opening or calling 5bb from EP, this is the poker player you are.... and you know what? me and a ton lot of other players thank you and others like you for existing... you bring us money and make our days happy!

so thank you for existing and sincerly please keep playing the way you do ! i really mean it! i love you!

[StarGrinder]

^ I think you missed the epic 2-year bump about eulogy.

[Razvan729]

so what? i forgot to mention that i suck at reading dates besides poker then

[manfredi]

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It is never easy to summarize an entire life and legacy in one single, heartfelt speech. But by reviewing an eulogy sample - pinpointing what truly speaks to you and ruling out what may not be as fitting inside your specific conditions - you will be sure to get the right tone. Keep in mind the eulogy to be as unique because the dearly departed. Just only because some situation is included in an case you have study does not always mean that it should be integrated in the funeral speech that you're composing. Give some thought as towards the type of service you are holding for your cherished one. Remember about your cherished one's character, and the emotions of your fellow mourners. If the recently deceased was known for his pervasive sense of humor, perhaps a joke could be fitting. Otherwise, you might want to get some other's opinions on what aspects to get from any particularly touching instance you've read.

I'll wrote ur moms ulogy