I can't find Value town unless somebody takes me there!

[Openside]

Title says it all. With huge equity in a hand it is ideal to get three streets of value; 3/4pot flop, potting the turn and shoving the river, but not realistic. Reality is the vast majority of the time all we are doing is winning their blinds with our flop bet.

Villain is solid, 16/13 over 869 hands. My range for him preflop is 77+ AQo/s+. My table image is nit.

Am I better suited in this position to check behind, show some weakness and evaluate how he reacts? Give him a little rope and hope he hangs himself?

Obviously there are more marginal situations, i just chose this because its captain obvious. Is there a point where the difference in our equity and theirs (calc.d via range) dictates that we no longer bet to protect our hand or set up for a shove, but size our bets to extract value? Or in considering this am I totally leveling myself at 5NL?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($8.86)
MP2 ($2.29)
MP3 ($5)
CO ($5.25)
Button ($5.15)
SB ($5)
BB ($2.85)
UTG ($5)
Hero (UTG+1) ($5.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A
UTG calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.25, 7 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.57) A, 2, 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold

Total pot: $0.57 | Rake: $0.03

I have done a couple of searches. If there is a post out there titled "Value betting for noobs"?

[!Luck]

Based on the range his combos of pairs far outnumber Ax (due to blockers). Thus, checking flop here isn't bad because if he has a set of 22, or 88 your are getting his stack, anyways. You aren't getting more than 2 streets of value out of AQ anyways. You are not getting more than 1 street of value out of 99-KK. So you can afford to check this flop.

Chances are he will still c/f turn but now he might look you up for one street with 77 plus you have additional chances of him hitting a set.

!luck

[daviddem]

This flop is the driest flop on earth, so yeah I think check behind here because you don't get value from the vast majority of his range.

Not to worry, if he's got an ace or a set he'll bet himself on the turn.

Why do you think he limps UTG with a hand like AK or KK or QQ? Even if he does, he limps reraises at least KK and QQ so that's not in his range I would say. I think he set mines here, give him one or two streets for a chance to catch his set or make him think his pair is good, and then gut him.

[spoonitnow]

When you crush the deck like this on a super dry board, your opponent is often folding so much that checking to pick off bluffs + let them catch a piece they'll continue with tends to be a viable option compared to bet-bet-bet.

[supa]

He open limps with small pps and calls standard raises to setmine. You prolly weren't getting any value unless he hit a set. But yeah, give him some rope.

[Openside]

Hows my line for extracting value? Horrible! I don't mind the c/c on the flop. I dont like my sizing on the turn. I should have shoved turn 3bet. I dont like my life on the river.

Villain is pretty loose. 85/6 over 16 hands. He has played 14/16. My range is really wide for him, pretty much 23s+, Ax+, 22+, QT+. I had seen him call down to the river OOP with A high.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($5.25)
MP1 ($3.88)
MP2 ($6.84)
Hero (MP3) ($5.24)
CO ($3.26)
Button ($9.51)
SB ($5.15)
BB ($4.95)
UTG ($1.92)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10, 10
4 folds, Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.65) 6, 10, K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.15) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($4.15) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.31 (All-In), Hero calls $1.31

Total pot: $6.77 | Rake: $0.45

[Wikkiwikki]

I'll comment on both hands.

1. dry board villain doesn't likely have an ace, check and let him catch up. Fire on the turn no matter what hits, or re-raise if he bets. You will need to protect your hand on turn due to straight and flush draws and he might chase if he has one so you have a better chance of getting value there.

2. this flop is more connected and high cards which most players play so you should bet to defend your hand, there are a lot of x-K hands that you can get value from and you need to punish hands like Q-J from drawing. You were pre-flop captain and your bet looks like a standard c-bet. After turn hits you need to be jamming so as not to allow flush draw to come, you end up paying of Q-J and trip K's but get value from almost everything else, like flush draws with the Kc, or 2 pair hands.

[daviddem]

Yes, this second hand is OK to cbet against two opps, one of them is likely to have hit something on this board. Bet flop 0.4-0.45 or so.

Then raise more/shove the turn. Your minraise to $1 doesn't make sense because he only has to call $0.5 to win $2.65, so you are offering him pot odds of 15.9%. He can call this profitably with any kind of draw. Instead make a pot-sized raised (or close to it), which would be $2.65 (when it is your turn to play, the total pot is $1.65 and you would have to pay $0.5 to call. To calculate a pot sized raise, take the size of the current pot and add twice what you would have to pay to just call: $1.65+2*$0.5=$2.65). Or just hit the "pot" button on the bet slider. When you make a pot sized raise, you always lay odds of 33.3%, or 2:1.

[JKDS]

Hand 1: listen to spoon.

Hand 2:

Villain is pretty loose.... I had seen him call down to the river OOP with A high.

therefore

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