2/4: straight vs whale

[pocketfours]

Line check. BB is LAG reg, UTG is 34/3 whale.

Would never call flop vs semi-competent opponents. Might be bad even with the whale still in the pot? Pre is also very marginal. Even river is really meh.

Awful hand, every single decision is super marginal. I guess the turn plays itself though.

SB ($527)
BB ($412)
UTG ($415)
CO ($419)
Hero ($708)

Dealt to Hero 9 K
UTG calls $4, fold, Hero calls $4, fold, BB raises to $20, UTG calls $16, Hero calls $16

FLOP ($62) T 4 J
BB bets $40, UTG calls $40, Hero calls $40

TURN ($182) T 4 J Q
BB checks, UTG bets $45, Hero calls $45, BB folds

RIVER ($272) T 4 J Q 5
UTG bets $164, Hero calls $164

[Mr. Diamond]

preflop: I would fold it for sure and I think calling is really bad

flop: This is really close, but you have position (and you are sick), so I think calling is not that bad

turn, river: I would play it same

[griffey24]

Preflop: why aren't we isolating the whale? I think this hand is pretty reasonable to make it 15 to go, or at least better than limping along. I'd fold to the 3bet afterwards.

Flop: yah meh it can go either way. He's prob not cbetting very weak into the two of you here is the problem, could be drawing dead.

Now that you called flop I'd play turn/riv same.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd raise turn and get it in. If he bet more on the turn I'd do this instead.

[Alexos]

I'd raise turn and get it in. If he bet more on the turn I'd do this instead.

Sick, I'd do the exact opposite of this (like P4 played it). If he bets more on turn I'd just ship because he's likely committed, if he bets this small I'd rather just call and let him bluff river or w/e since there's more behind to do so (also important since we have the Kd and we don't really fear a river diamond). He's also more likely to bet turn bigger with the naked Ad.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Sick, I'd do the exact opposite of this (like P4 played it). If he bets more on turn I'd just ship because he's likely committed, if he bets this small I'd rather just call and let him bluff river or w/e since there's more behind to do so (also important since we have the Kd and we don't really fear a river diamond). He's also more likely to bet turn bigger with the naked Ad.

I may be overrating a general tell but I am of the impression that when fish have the nuts they bet really big.

[pocketfours]

Preflop: why aren't we isolating the whale? I think this hand is pretty reasonable to make it 15 to go, or at least better than limping along. I'd fold to the 3bet afterwards.

I'd usually iso but LAG in BB was fierce. Limping behind is clearly winning with position on this whale and deep stacks behind.

edit: Lag raise is a 2bet and I think calling with the fish still in the pot getting 4:1 is perfectly acceptable.

[pocketfours]

I may be overrating a general tell but I am of the impression that when fish have the nuts they bet really big.

I can't say that my experience would confirm this.

[Mr. Diamond]

edit: Lag raise is a 2bet and I think calling with the fish still in the pot getting 4:1 is perfectly acceptable.

But if you flop something, you will be dominated like always (problem with reverse implied odds). And this flop is good example of it, because this one improves your equity vs their ranges (and you have lot of outs if you are behind), but you can be drawing dead vs both (or you can make worse flush or straight). I just think its super hard to make profit w/ this hand in this situation

[pocketfours]

I totally agree with you diamond, but position and whale in pot outweigh the negative factors here.

There is some nonzero price say between $0 and $50 that seeing the flop is worth to us with $46 already in the pot. I think that price is very close to what I actually paid ($16). I have simply found that good things tend to happen when you play pots with position against weak players.

I also think that this flop should be a fold. Too big chance that one of them has the Ad after both of them put money in, in which case we are drawing very thin and possibly dead.

[lancelott_]

i actually like limping if blinds are 3Bing like crazy, but fish in front plays real bad, in limped pots blinds will play super straightforward OOP, and you basicly get to play 1x1 smaller pot w/o getting 3B off your hand (that you will have to 4B bluff or fols, if 3B anyways)