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    Default KK hands @ 5nl -4bet pot

    No reads this is the 3rd hand with him at this table. I have been starting tables, whenever I can't find decent ones.

    I have no idea what a 4 bet calling range is, I assume it would be a bunch of pockets and some draws. By the turn, I need 33% equity, which means if he does it even with a few draws, it will balance out all his sets.


    QQ+,JcJh,JdJh,JhJs,99,77,AhKh,AcKh,AdKh,AhKc,AhKd, AhKs,AsKh, gives me 30%. And this is fairly conservative range in 3 way pot.

    Thus this is snap call?

    Thoughts?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    SB ($5.07)
    BB ($3.90)
    Hero (Button) ($5.08)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
    Hero bets $0.15, SB raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.30, SB calls $0.80

    Flop: ($2.65) Q, 9, 7 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.25

    Turn: ($5.15) 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $2.52 (All-In)
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by !Luck View Post
    By the turn, I need 33% equity, which means if he does it even with a few draws, it will balance out all his sets.
    You need about 25% equity (basically calling $2.50 to make it a pot of $10). Your pot odds are 3:1 ( $2.50 to win $7.50 )

    Since you're on btn you can assume his 3-betting range from the SB is wider. I would include some hands like AQ, AhQ, Ah9, Ah7, ThT, JhT, JTh, JT
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    I tend to throw the equity and all out the door on these type of situations when to me it appears obvious I'm beat. I figure he's either got set, quads or flush and that just leaves you with so few odds of catching what I perceive to be only 4 outs {Kh,Kd,9s,9c}. I just figure save your remaining stack.
    I think when you bet the flop you did so without a plan. You built a big pot and crossed over the line of possible no return in a bad spot where as checked it down you wouldn't have so much out there to make the tough decision with imo.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    I tend to throw the equity and all out the door on these type of situations when to me it appears obvious I'm beat. I figure he's either got set, quads or flush and that just leaves you with so few odds of catching what I perceive to be only 4 outs {Kh,Kd,9s,9c}. I just figure save your remaining stack.
    I think when you bet the flop you did so without a plan. You built a big pot and crossed over the line of possible no return in a bad spot where as checked it down you wouldn't have so much out there to make the tough decision with imo.
    If giving opponent a range and figuring out your equity isn't working for you, then the range you're putting villain on is wrong. It does not mean throw all common sense out the door.
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    You played the hand well, now call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrn View Post
    If giving opponent a range and figuring out your equity isn't working for you, then the range you're putting villain on is wrong. It does not mean throw all common sense out the door.
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    You played the hand well, now call.
    I would say based on these responses this could easily be one of my many leaks where I am loosing out on value!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    I would say based on these responses this could easily be one of my many leaks where I am loosing out on value!
    Putting villain on a range despite how much your gut tells you that you're beat is a good start. You'll only get better by practicing it more often.
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    This hand was played dumb (at the very end) and I did have the plan on the flop which was to ship the flop if he raised, I didn't consider him calling and donking. I was going to ship any non heart turn. But then he donks and I turn of my brain cause I didn't plan for that event.

    Thanks for the replies.

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