25NL 3way 3bet pot fish/reg.

[Donachello]

Original raiser is a standard 6max reg so I think 3betting this hand is fine due to card removal, his fold to 3bet% and the fact I don't want to flat QJo OOP to two people. Cold caller is a fish who sucks.

Full Tilt - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $30.37
UTG: $25.00
CO: $32.52
BTN: $48.30
Hero (SB): $27.34

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has J Q

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.00, BB calls $2.75, UTG calls $2.25

Flop: ($9.00, 3 players) Q 6 8
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

The fishes cold calling range is most PP a lot of broadways and a ton of Ax hands. The villain probably has medium PP, suited broadways and some big aces. Because of that I think betting or checking this flop is kind of close. On one hand I can probably get at least one person to peel with their PP but on the other there are a lot of better queens in both ranges. I suppose I could b/f this flop since I would be cbetting my air here for sure but that's pretty thin and kind of more like a range merge which I don't need to be doing at 25NL.

Turn: ($9.00, 3 players) 4
Hero checks, BB bets $3.50, fold, Hero calls $3.50

This is pretty standard imo with a plan to probably b/f small or c/c river blanks.

River: ($16.00, 2 players) T

This is one of the more interesting cards as the fish's range certainly can contain TT, QT, AT. I think it is again close between b/f and checking and evaluating either a call or fold based on his bet size. Most likely a check/fold since he would not bet 99 on this river. I'd be interested to hear people's opinions on that.

Also, go ahead and tell me to fold pre if you want but at least look at the rest of the hand since I made the 3bet and postflop is way more interesting to analyze.

[JoeHaw]

Pretty easy bet fold around $9 IMO villains not putting you on a range

[Johnny Cashout]

id c/f anything above 50% especially with that river card...hits most ranges
a value bet would be pretty tough to call down too.

[Roid_Rage]

b/f $8

[unclesteve]

shouldn't we be leading this turn?

Also, idk if our 3b is good for card removal purposes, I mean, we have blockers to lots of stuff that's gonna fold to our 3b, like JT, KJ, KQ etc. When I 3b as a bluff I use Ax and Kx hadns, coz it's less likely they have AA,KK or AK.

In spoony's series about combinatrics I remember reading aobut the theory of reverse blockers, where we have blockers to an opening range but not to a continuing range. I think this applies here
would like to hear thoughts on this...

[couriermike]

b/f or c/c seem fine otr unless someone jams ofc. don't like the pf 3-bet. did you check utg's fold to 3-bet by position?

[Roid_Rage]

Yea 3bet here is pretty weak buddy, especially with a fish left to act. If we had KQ/AQ or Axs/Kxs I would feel a lot better about it and it would leave us in a lot fewer sticky situations postflop.

Plan yo hands.

[unclesteve]

I wouldn't say this 3b is weak, it's obv a bluff, and using the top of our folding range is ok to do that with, if we think either the fish or the PFR is gonna call us, theres' lots of ways we can flop equity and barrel them off their hands.

Having said that, in this spot 3betting is not so hot coz the fish will overcall and utg will be priced in, then we're multiway in a bloated pot with an easily dominated hand, like what happened here.

[Roid_Rage]

Your not so hot definition = my weak definition in the context I used it.

[Imthenewfish]

3b seems fine given that fish isnt a massif drooler, and im assuming hes not because you wouldn't 3b him then. We don't have reverse blockers because regs are probably flatting QQ,JJ,AQ, maybe AJ IP to DC's 3b's, so we are folding out his continuing range, not his folding range. pawts ginormous given 3way 3b pot with a large 3b because we we're OOP, so i like c/decide flop. obv don't c/f to that sizing, but once flop is checked through your equity significantly improves so i like leading turn. betting river seems kinda spewish? I mean it seems like theres not a ton that beats you frequently given action on flop/turn, but i can't really see that much that you beat thats leading turn and calling a river lead either. c/f unless its not bigger than 1/5 pot or something?

[kfaess]

I'd prob fold this PF. If you're going to 3b an UTG reg open I think you can pick a hand that has more equity (maybe Ax).

Post flop I think leading flop>>>>>checking flop. There's a fish in the pot who's going to call with a ton of worse hands, we have top pair, and its prob less likely the reg is going to bet because the pot is 3 way. Checking and giving free cards to two hands is also pretty bad.

As played I'm def leading that river, probably decently large. His turn bet looks pretty weak and he can have a lot of rivered T's. Let's just go ahead and get max value from an idiot who's going to call us with stupid shit.

What do we do if we check and he bets 5.00? A c/r is pretty thin, but we can def get more than 5.00 of value on the river.

Just my 0.02 of course.