Lunch hand X..

[Chopper]

tear it up, but this hand is the one i was most proud of from lunch. mostly due to the post flop play...initial raiser was 18/14/3 and prone to overplaying dominated hands AND i didnt expect another caller. however, the other caller was passive, stats wise, but i had noticed him folding out a lot. the whole table was very weak/tight, and i was robbing them of their Christmas money with my blind/MP steals....

$0.5/$1 Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (23.05)
UTG+1 (24.05)
MP1 (20.75)
Hero (26.2)
CO (16.7)
BTN (17.65)
SB (27)
BB (15.75)

Pre-Flop: (1.5 SB, 8 players) Hero is MP2
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds, BB calls

Flop: (6.5 SB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero calls

Turn: (6.8 BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

River: (8.8 BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero 4-bets, BB calls

Final Pot: 16.8 BB

[Pelion]

Why dont you raise the turn? Do you think he folds a flush draw there to a raise? I would think hed called a turn raise with a FD and then bet out again if he hit.

Also the times he doesnt have the FD, arent you worried a flush card will kill your action?

[elipsesjeff]

yeah raise turn for real. he's not giving you credit for 3x and any two pairs of yours just got smoked. When he wakes up with 99 you get to cap both streets.

Also, you're most proud of a hand where you flop top set and turn a boat? The only wrong way to play it was to fold at any point lmao...

[KoRnholio]

Yeah I have to agree with jeff here. Gotta raise that turn, it's our best chance to win the largest pot by the river.

If he's on a draw (say KdQd) he may raise again, and at the very least call the turn bet. If we just call and he misses, he may check-fold the river (-1BB for us).

If he has a made hand he surely isn't folding it on the turn, and will then at least call the river now that the pot is larger.

[Chopper]

sometimes you have to take time away from a HH to really digest the remarks. here, i thought i had a good reason to only call the turn. i still dont think it was quite as bad because i didnt think it was likely that i was up against 99 here. so, i only called to give him the initiative to bet the river, so i could raise him and get another. i felt if i raise the turn, the only card that continues to give me action on the river is a made flush, and i didnt think he had a flush draw here. i had him on an overpair....per my original read...and overpairs certainly shut down to a turn raise and only call one on the river flush card. i felt he would overplay his overpair if i dont keep popping him with raises, no matter what comes on the river. and, i felt the river my go to 3bets or cap if i only call the turn, earning me 1-2 more BBs than raising the turn and getting only one BB on the river.

however, per my original read, i could have capped the flop and either led or raised the turn. that would have been the better line, given the read i stated.

that said, i dont think the flush card slows this guy down since he had overplayed overpairs in the past. i felt i needed to keep him thinking he was ahead since that was the spot he was pouring the most of his chips in the pots. and, i felt no matter what river card came, he would go ballistic if i called the turn.

a bit fancy, but that is what i thought at the time. thanks for the comments, guys.

[LawDude]

I don't mind the slowplay here at all, especially with the reads you had.

Because players slowplay way too much (which they do), I think there's a tendency on poker message boards to advocating ramming and jamming every single big hand. (Indeed, I'm surprised nobody's yet told you to 4-bet the flop.)

But the structure of limit requires some slowplay in some instances, because the bets are biggest on the turn and the river, and because players often like to take shots at pots when they think their opponents are weak or FOS. If OP raises the turn, does he get 4 bets in on the river? Maybe, but very likely not.

[KoRnholio]

If OP raises the turn, does he get 4 bets in on the river? Maybe, but very likely not.

Results orientated IMO. One could just as easily say that if you pop the turn, you could get a cap in on the turn and river if he holds 3x/99/an overpair.

[LawDude]

It's not really results oriented because slowplay IS basically about reads, not stove calculations.

And when you are talking about your reads, the question is simply whether you read the hand right and maximized your value from the hand. I suspect OP did, though obviously (1) OP's read may have been wrong, and (2) you can never be 100 percent sure about these things.

[Chopper]

[X] OP had him on an overpair, and OP was wrong.

[ ] OP maxxed value THIS time

[X] OP still thinks this line was correct for MOST situations with this villain's tendencies.