Soccer (Football)

[wesrman]

Im gonna try to get into soccer and i need to know what/who to watch, and why the rest of the world likes it so much. Ive never been able to get into it (probably cuz ive had no team to root for) so any tips or advice would be helpfull.

Also is MLS any good??? Toronto has a team and if im going to root for anyone it would most likely be them.

Thanks.

[bigred]

Soccer is awesome. MLS is not but oh well.

[wesrman]

Soccer is awesome. MLS is not but oh well.

What league/teams do you like bigred???

[bigred]

Arsenal in EPL. MLS is still cool to go to games and what not. TV I'd just rather watch the euros.

[Alexos]

champions league is the most "accessible" to watch, its the best teams from Europe competing. I'm not rly sure when it starts this year..

[WillburForce]

new season starts on Sat in England. Get watching - its the best league in the world.

I would say support my team West Ham - but I'd only do that if you're a sadist and enjoy watching your team play like a bunch of tosspots everyweek.

Please, please don't support Man Utd - this will just make people hate you. Arsenal is prob the best choice. Good football and from London.

[bigred]

champions league is the most "accessible" to watch, its the best teams from Europe competing. I'm not rly sure when it starts this year..

They had a qualifying round this past week. Arsenal won 2-0!

[wesrman]

Thanks guys.

I really dont want to support another shitty team and heres why.
Teams i root for now:
Leafs
Raiders
Bulls
Blue Jays

It would be nice to pick a team that is decent at least since im clearly way to loyal.

[bigred]

Choose Arsenal, we're cool

[Jack Sawyer]

PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 6

[kmind]

PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 6

QFTTTT

[wesrman]

OMG watching clips on youtube and that Ronaldo dude from Man U is sick.

[bigred]

rooting for man u is like rooting for the yankees, don't be a fgt

[wesrman]

rooting for man u is like rooting for the yankees, don't be a fgt

They win all the time???

[Jack Sawyer]

OMG watching clips on youtube and that Ronaldo dude from Man U is sick.

don't call him ronaldo, hes christiano ronaldo.

there's another ronaldo, arguably one of the best strikers in recent times from brazil.

watching the RoRo duo from brazil play was like magic.


and bebeto, another great striker.

and taffarel, the best keeper in recent times.



vintage brazil (like from '92) was really something

[wesrman]

OMG watching clips on youtube and that Ronaldo dude from Man U is sick.

don't call him ronaldo, hes christiano ronaldo.

there's another ronaldo, arguably one of the best strikers in recent times from brazil.

Sorry Jack, im new so cut me some slack please.

So far ive seen clips of christiano ronaldo, and some ronaldinho dude and they're both sick. Who else should i check out in a non gay way???

EDIT: http://www.cristiano-ronaldo.org/ron...-10-video.html

[Jack Sawyer]

teams to watch:

Real Madrid

Barcelona FC

Internazionale di Milan (my favourite)

AC Milan

AS Roma


Chelsea FC

Manchester United

Arsenal FC


Ajax FC

[wesrman]

What league are they from Jack???


This dude is sick. I had no idea people make moves like this or i would have been watching before this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-MlJ...eature=related

[Jack Sawyer]

Search for the league names, since those teams are from every big league out there


and if you liked CR, check out Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and Ronaldinho

o and Zidane, definetely Zinedine Zidane

[wesrman]

Search for the league names, since those teams are from every big league out there


and if you liked CR, check out Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and Ronaldinho

Ive seen Ronaldinho, hes in the first link i posted. Hes nuts too.

[wesrman]

Im leaning towards Man U, but im going to wait and see before i make a firm decision. I kind of like it that everyone will hate me for it and they look fun to watch.

Ive seen some cool vids on youtube of Toronto FC fans and its looks like it would be fun to go to a few of their games, although i dont know if they're good or not. The fans look crazy, which i like. Ill definatly be supporting them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrBbJ...eature=related

[Thunder]

Why do so many love it? Because it's the best game, most exciting and full of skill. And different skill.

Points/goals aren't scored every other second like in basketball but the premise is to out think and outscore the opponent. And the beauty is seeing it done, like when a defender breaks rank and steams forward to score a goal, seeing the move no one else can. Franz Beckenbauer in his prime was magnificent at this.

You have your no nonsense midfielders, who tackle and make simple passes. Others reply on breathtaking skill and vision.

Sure, score lines are 2-0, 3-1 and never 23-56 but you only get one point per goal. The score line has no reflection on the quality of the match/nor the number of attacks. There have been intense, action filled 0-0 games as well as dull 4-3 games.

Stay away from the MLS and stick to either the Spanish or the English. I'd recommend the English for it's pace and emphasis on attack. It's not the most watched league by accident. The Italian league is technically & tactically superior but also slower and is hard to stomach or appreciate - even for many purists.

You also need to understand the many nuances of football to fully appreciate it. I am a regular on the sport board at IMDB and every day it seems, the Americans keep generating the same myths and misunderstandings so if you suffer from them, this next bit may help.

1) It's not physical/brutal.
For a start, neither is tennis but it's still enjoyable. However, it is. It really is. The difference is, the body parts involved are wildly different to NFL and rugby. The torso can withstand far much more pressure and so can take a massive hit, full on.

In football (soccer to the philistines) the body parts involved are far smaller and more fragile and so the physical aspect may, at first, appear somewhat tame. The lower legs & ankles are the main target. It may not look tough on camera, but you have one of yoru friends hurtle in at full speed and then launch himself, two footed, at your ankles, whilst he wears studded boots.

The head is the other main body part - and is constantly being cracked by other heads and flying elbows. The game may look like it's no contact but it isn't (despite FIFAs attempts to water it down).


2) It's a game of skill not raw power.
One of the oft repeated myths by those across the pond is that it's all down to physical strength and height and that any NFLer would be great footballers. In actual fact, this isn't the case and the bigger/taller guys usually struggle. And they are often seen as lumbering powerhouses rather than skillful and effective.

The common argument is "get XXX, 6' 8" and 350 pounds in the goal area and no one will stop him." Yeah, but he's got to have the skill to score. To get on target. To use poise as much as power. No amount of size and strength can overcome a terrible first touch, or aid to control a ball, or to develop the vision to see and make passes no one else can.

That's why Marco van Basten (usually rated as the greatest striker of all time) was so stunning to watch - as was Zinedine Zidane - because he was 6' 2" yet had the grace and balance of a ballerina.

Touch and finesse are exalted skills. Which is why some of the most impressive goals and moves may not be the most eye catching. For example, a lob is hard enough to perform but when done when off balance, or with the outside of the foot, it is even more astounding. It will take you a while to appreciate but as you get an understanding of the game and what is seen as "normal" you will begin to complement the extraordinary.

Quick examples (should be in the clips below) would be Beckham's laser guided pass to Ronaldo, cutting out the defence, Zidane digging the ball from out of his feet to find a pass that no one else could see & Berhgkamp's goal against Argentina in the 1998 World Cup.

The Bergkamp goal exemplified a number of these key but oft overlooked skills: control (by killing a speeding ball) agility (to spin on a dime and deftness (to curve the ball with the outside of his foot - placement over power).

Another good example would be Beckham's freekick for Man U against Real Madrid. becks has scored loads of free kicks but that was arguably his best - but this may not be so obvious as it wasn't the fastest or the longest kick. But it was close to the area, he had to get it up, round and down and at a tight angle too. And he still sent it in with the precision of a Smart Bomb. When you've seen many people miss, and get an idea for the physics of a ball in flight, then you begin to appreciate the artistry involved.

I mentioned before about people doing the unexpected and the really skillful players, the once in a generation types, make these moves their hallmark and even though the rest of the players are world class, they still cannot operate on the level of these guys. Such as:

Gheorghe Hagi
Maradona
Johan Cryuff
Dejan Savicevic
Hristo Stoitchkov
Marco van Basten
Roberto Baggio
Paolo Maldini

And all of these guys blow away Cristiano Ronaldo. I won't make a big song and dance about it now but Man U should have taken the money for him because he has very little to his game. Find vids of these true creative genuises and then watch Ronaldo - you'll see the difference. He runs and does step overs. Wow. Big deal. His end product is usually naff, he goes missing in big games (even in the CL Final against Chelsea) and harldy any of his goals have been great. The compilation of Beckham blows him away and even without searing pace, Becks was a far better winger, crosser, shooter,passer and free kick specialist.

And differing types succeed too. Hagi, Maradona, Baggio & Zidane were the most skillful players ever. Van Basten and Alan Shearer less so, but as strikers go, these two were the complete, unstoppable package. Left foot, right foot, heading, power, positioning - you name it, these two were lethal and you'd put your house on them to score.



These clips are of the skilful attackers. Newbies to football find it harder to appreciate defensive skills. Otherwise Paolo Maldini would be in this list.


Zidane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAk2D...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5xhk...eature=related


Bergkamp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCEXkik6Iuk


Baggio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u55ka...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXsJC...eature=related



Beckham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9Pahclz3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMlGu...eature=related


Le Tissier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSsdfe4Z69g


Gazza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXuXu-jDN1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nOt6...eature=related


Van Basten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpJna...eature=related



Shearer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0SLW...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPF_NOYoRo

[WillburForce]

Im leaning towards Man U, but im going to wait and see before i make a firm decision. I kind of like it that everyone will hate me for it and they look fun to watch.

don't do this. Man Utd fans are just glory hunting tossers. Why not choose a slighty less well known team? Give your self some respect.

But if you want to watch good football it's got to be Arsenal. They play the best pasing game in the world.

Also check out Paolo Di Canio - West Ham legend and genius footballer...get past the fisrt bit of him pushing the ref:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkYxz...eature=related

[wesrman]

Thanks guys. Very helpfull, yet confusing..lol. Sorry if im annoying you with my dumb questions.

Ok i watched a season preview show last night and i saw what you mean by Arsenal being exciting to watch, but i still have no clue who to pick.

I need some rules explanaition. Whats up with the off sides??? How many games do they play??? Is there a playoffs??? What are the names of the positions??? Anything else that i need to know???

Is there anywhere online that i can watch games without having to pay???

Thunder said to stay away from the MLS, but im not going to get many games per week. At least i should get a Toronto FC game every week, and thats my only chance to ever go to a game.

[Muzzard]

Ok.

Offside, is a complicated rule and sometime even the refs get it wrong... http://www.offside-ref.co.uk/laws/11...-rule/detailed

In the EPL and most other leagues I can think of each team plays each other twice.

There are no play offs for the title in the EPL, you need to be top to win at the end of the season- that is all.

Positions- this is a general 4-4-2 formation

1 x Goalkeeper
2 x Centre back or half backs
2x Full back also can be known as Left and Right backs
2x Centre midfielders
1x Left and Right Midfield
2x Strikers

[bigred]

Nasri scores for the gunners! 1-0 victory

[Miffed22001]

arsenal lol
west ham lol

[wesrman]

arsenal lol
west ham lol

Who do u like Miff???

[bigred]

He loves some shit team, I can't remember who though. Like reading or ....wait, it's Sheffield united

[Muzzard]

doncaster lol
sheff wed lol
sheff united lol

[Miffed22001]

arsenal lol
west ham lol

Who do u like Miff???

i probably shouldnt have on west ham so much but arsenal are the best team who will never win shit.

We all know its man utd vs chelsea (maybe liverpool if they buy some decent wingers)

[bigred]

we got a solid team, just u wait

[wesrman]

we got a solid team, just u wait

Is Arsenal playing right now??

If so where can i watch it online??

I have a couple games on here:
http://www.mogulus.com/rsport

Im watching Everton vs Blackburn right now. Its the only game i can get on TV here.

[bigred]

played this morning

[wesrman]

played this morning

Ya i just saw the highlights now.

[PokerSwede]

Go Spurs! (Tottenham) That's the team for you Wesrman!

Although I gotta say hockey >>>>> soccer/football

[wesrman]

Although I gotta say hockey >>>>> soccer/football

ldo

[Thunder]

Ignore WIlburforce. He's talking pure crap. A typical West Ham fan.

Yes, glory hunters support big teams but that as long as you arent' being a glory hunter then you can support whoever the fuck you want.

Wilbur talks about having respect but what respect can you give someone who insta hates anyone supporting a bigger team? Who has such a hard on for priding himself on not following a big team?

What the fuck does starting out with a good team have to do with respect. WIlbur's a dick. End of. Too many like him too.

It's all BS. And reverse elitist crap.

Support who you want, for the right reasons, and it doesn't matter if they're awesome, elite teams like Man U or piece of shit strugglers like West Ham.

Love football. Hate the dickhead mentality.

He laos talks out of his arse when he says:

But if you want to watch good football it's got to be Arsenal. They play the best pasing game in the world.

The guy knows fuck all about football - as evidenced by this statement. Probably an early 20's boy with little experience of football on the world stage.

Aresenal play great football. but it's not in the same league as Barcelona, Real Madrid or AC Milan. They have played the best football in England for a good few years but still doesn't compare to the football Man U played from 94 - 2000.

Too many commentators have short memories and the glory hunters he despises so much jump on bandwagons (like Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney) and that includes Arsenal. Ironic eh? He follows the glory hunters that he says lack respect. They all marvel at Wayne Rooney when in reality he hasn't developed in 4 years and isn't in the league of Lionel Messi - despite accolades to the contrary. Nor was Ronaldo's goal against Portsmouth "genius" - despite enthusiastic commentary to the contrary.

If Wilbur had any fucking clue about football, instead of his blinkered view of West Ham, he'd be able to offer real fucking advice.

Put him out of his misery and stomp his face into a fucking jar.

[CoccoBill]

Maybe I'm dumb but I don't get it, why do you need to choose a favorite without knowing anything about the sport let alone the teams? I mean, why not just start watching, enjoy different teams and styles of play, learn the subtleties of the game and eventually figure out which team(s) you like?

[wesrman]

Maybe I'm dumb but I don't get it, why do you need to choose a favorite without knowing anything about the sport let alone the teams? I mean, why not just start watching, enjoy different teams and styles of play, learn the subtleties of the game and eventually figure out which team(s) you like?

Good point. I dont really, and thats what im doing. Im just trying to get everyones opinions to help speed up the process. But, i think its way less exciting to watch sports without having someone to cheer for. If it doesnt matter who wins then why watch.

Ignore WIlburforce. He's talking pure crap. A typical West Ham fan.

Support who you want, for the right reasons, and it doesn't matter if they're awesome, elite teams like Man U or piece of shit strugglers like West Ham.

Love football. Hate the dickhead mentality.

LOL thats funny. It really makes no difference to me who wins the championship, i just want to root for an exciting team that will be competitive for years. So obviously im picking one of the top teams cuz this is my only chance to "band wagon". Also i dont think rooting for a team that sucks will help me to enjoy the game, which is the point.

[Muzzard]

lawl, thunder is priceless

[x] thunder strikes again

[wesrman]

Watched my first game and it was exciting. Blackburn scored in extra time to win. Everton 2 vs Blackburn 3

[Muzzard]

Wheeeeeeeeee Ooijer!

[Ablarrrr]

F**k sake 93rd min!!!

no prizes for guessing my team,
If you want to support a team in the premier league that will win cups the go for Man U, Arsenal or Chelsea.

Man U and In paricular Ronaldo were awsome last year but when at their best Arsenal play the best passing game of any team I have seen.

Thunder must be a Man U fan lol and no one can fault you for going with the prem leagues most successful team.

Watch a few weeks of games and decide who u enjoy watching - if you can decide just pick the kit you like best or summat daft like that

[kevster]

WTF? A football thread with no hating?

Wesrman, go for a good team whatever you do! I got stuck with South-fucking-hampton. Nevertheless, whoever you choose, you'll be lucky to see anything like this....

feast your eyes

[wesrman]

WTF? A football thread with no hating?

Wesrman, go for a good team whatever you do! I got stuck with South-fucking-hampton. Nevertheless, whoever you choose, you'll be lucky to see anything like this....

feast your eyes

Cool clips.

As far as going for a good team, ya thats my plan cus the teams i follow in other sports are pathetic.

[Ablarrrr]

Matt LT just could score some awsome goals, he should of played at a much better club but was very loyal.

[ATOTHEC101]

lol thunder you are truly awesome. Though i sort of agree with what you said...sort of.

[bigred]

The reason I became an Arsenal fan (sadly he plays for barcelona now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBNhVjcR3M

[wesrman]

The reason I became an Arsenal fan (sadly he plays for barcelona now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBNhVjcR3M

OMG that number 1 goal was awesome.

Heres a link to the Liverpool game for anyone interested.
http://www.justin.tv/widgets/jtv_liv...nnel=iraqgoals

[badgers]

epic thunder

[wesrman]

F**k sake 93rd min!!!

no prizes for guessing my team,

A guy i know from another forum was at the game and hes a huge Everton fan. Safe to say that extra time ruined his day..lol.

[bigred]

epic thunder

Watching my intelligence drop from reading the post was pretty epic

[bigred]

The reason I became an Arsenal fan (sadly he plays for barcelona now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBNhVjcR3M

OMG that number 1 goal was awesome.

Heres a link to the Liverpool game for anyone interested.
http://www.justin.tv/widgets/jtv_liv...nnel=iraqgoals

torres ftw

[kevster]

Bigred. You so gay.

[kevster]

^^^^ fucking erudite post for s drunkard.


Eridute? Look it up fucktard.

[sweetlemon69]

hey weserman, I follow toronto and barcelona. I live in toronto, have seasons tickets to the tfc matches and love it. Team's forwards are a bit meek but mo johnson, the director/scout of tfc's traiding is picking up a few more strikers.

how old are you by the way? reason why I ask is a lot of people like the EPL, but imo, it's not the top quality footy. The spanish La Liga, premier league in spain, is top quality. Their style of play, which is very possession oriented, is what makes the game, The Beautiful Game. Reason why I asked is if you're older, and don't have a ton of pace, spanish is the style you'll want to adapt. Play smart and move the ball up the field in 5 or more passes.

if you're getting into it, honest practice your keepup skills. The 2 most important factors in footy is first touch and vision imo. Definitely practice those things.

[Muzzard]

EPL is easily the best league in the world, the fastest tempo and the most aggressive game with the best players in the world obv.

[Muzzard]

I think we should have some soccer betting thread too

[wesrman]

hey weserman, I follow toronto and barcelona. I live in toronto, have seasons tickets to the tfc matches and love it. Team's forwards are a bit meek but mo johnson, the director/scout of tfc's traiding is picking up a few more strikers.

how old are you by the way?

Sweet, it will be cool to know someone else that follows Toronto (none of my friends watch any football at all). Maybe we can meet up before a game sometime in TO. <--- Not a gay pick up line..lol. Im pumped for tonights TO game and Canadas qualifier for the World Cup on Wednesday cuz i have someone to root for.

I plan on watching a little bit of all leagues and teams to figure out which i like best. I watched 2 games from the EPL, an old game from last years FA Cup, Inter Milan vs imperioli (from some other league) and Argentina vs the Netherlands (Olympics) and i liked most of it.

Im 30 BTW, and im all about the offence (right now anyway). Im sure it will take some time for me to appreciate defence like it did with American football.

[wesrman]

Sweet they're showing Man U vs Newcastle on The Score even though it doesnt list it on the guide.

Seems like i may get quite a few games up here.

[sweetlemon69]

That's awesome man!

And EPL being the best league in the world, it's mearly the most rich and televised. There's less skill, imo, in a game where it takes 2 touches to move the ball up the field, and make the third a goal. There's a reason spanish teams with Rijkards style shuts down english teams.

Wesrman, I play at BMO field twice a week, mondays and fridays, and in off weeks at Lamport stadium sundays and thursdays. We have an indoor league at bmo. Do you live near king and bathurst? There's pickup games at Stanley Park every sunday (they're there right now) around this time.

Also, did you see my Toronto live game roundup thread? BankitDrew, d0zer and myself have some good livesgames, I want to get an FTR night going soon.

[WillburForce]

Ignore WIlburforce. He's talking pure crap. A typical West Ham fan.

Yes, glory hunters support big teams but that as long as you arent' being a glory hunter then you can support whoever the fuck you want.

Wilbur talks about having respect but what respect can you give someone who insta hates anyone supporting a bigger team? Who has such a hard on for priding himself on not following a big team?

What the fuck does starting out with a good team have to do with respect. WIlbur's a dick. End of. Too many like him too.

It's all BS. And reverse elitist crap.

Support who you want, for the right reasons, and it doesn't matter if they're awesome, elite teams like Man U or piece of shit strugglers like West Ham.

Love football. Hate the dickhead mentality.

He laos talks out of his arse when he says:

But if you want to watch good football it's got to be Arsenal. They play the best pasing game in the world.

The guy knows fuck all about football - as evidenced by this statement. Probably an early 20's boy with little experience of football on the world stage.

Aresenal play great football. but it's not in the same league as Barcelona, Real Madrid or AC Milan. They have played the best football in England for a good few years but still doesn't compare to the football Man U played from 94 - 2000.

Too many commentators have short memories and the glory hunters he despises so much jump on bandwagons (like Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney) and that includes Arsenal. Ironic eh? He follows the glory hunters that he says lack respect. They all marvel at Wayne Rooney when in reality he hasn't developed in 4 years and isn't in the league of Lionel Messi - despite accolades to the contrary. Nor was Ronaldo's goal against Portsmouth "genius" - despite enthusiastic commentary to the contrary.

If Wilbur had any fucking clue about football, instead of his blinkered view of West Ham, he'd be able to offer real fucking advice.

Put him out of his misery and stomp his face into a fucking jar.

Thunder mate. Shut the fuck up.

I'd out play you at football, poker or a fight folr that matter.

I'm 30 yrs old and have been going to West Ham since I was 5yrs old. As did my Dad and his Dad before that.

U mouthy prick. Why do I not like Man Utd fans? Because I'm from London and actually support a London team. A family team that means something to me. Unlike some mug who buys a shirt and thinks thats supporting a team.

And yes Arsenal play the football in England. I don't watch any other league. But I remember Man Utd and yes they were a great side. But no they didn't play better football than Arsenal. End of.

I've also played Saturday league since I was19 and had a couple of trials when I was young. I'm now just joining a Senior league cause my knees have gone - but 3-4 days of footie a week for the past 15 odd years does that for you.

So what else you wanna know about football you gobby twat? Or we could play poker - oh no hang on, you're shit at that as well.

[Muzzard]

lawl

[wesrman]

Wesrman, I play at BMO field twice a week, mondays and fridays, and in off weeks at Lamport stadium sundays and thursdays. We have an indoor league at bmo. Do you live near king and bathurst? There's pickup games at Stanley Park every sunday (they're there right now) around this time.

Also, did you see my Toronto live game roundup thread? BankitDrew, d0zer and myself have some good livesgames, I want to get an FTR night going soon.

I dont live in TO. I live like an hour and a half away by Niagara Falls. Thats cool though, i appreciate the thought. Id like to play a bit, but have no one around here that will play.

Also i suck at poker and havent played in months, but thanks anyway.

Anyone on Toronto that i should watch???
Add me on MSN if you have it and maybe we can chat since you're the only person i know that follows TFC.

I'm 30 yrs old and have been going to West Ham since I was 5yrs old. As did my Dad and his Dad before that.

Why do I not like Man Utd fans? Because I'm from London and actually support a London team. A family team that means something to me. Unlike some mug who buys a shirt and thinks thats supporting a team.

LOL im 30 and have watched hockey since i was 3. Im definatley not the kind of person that just roots for the best team, and once i pick a team, i stick with them no matter what. Every team i support (in every sport)pretty much sucks right now and i have no intentions of selling them out anytime soon.

The only reason i would choose to root for one of the better teams (im thinking Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal so far although im keeping an open mind like cocco said to) is so that i will enjoy the sport. Its like when i was 12 or so and started watching basketball. I picked a team with the player i liked to watch the most -Michael Jordan. So far the Ronaldo dude seems like the most exciting player to watch. Even though i hear hes an arrogant asshole..lol. Muzzard's words, not mine.

[Ablarrrr]

C'mon now Wilbur dont sit on the fence tell thunder exactly what you think

Being true to your team through thick and thin is what being a fan is all about, I know many people who follow Leeds they were there at the good times and are still there now in the not so good times.

I couldnt say who I would choose to follow if my team folded or if I was new to the game, as Wilbur said most people follow the team their parents do.

[ATOTHEC101]

wesrman, just support the team ull enjoy the most watching, and thats the best teams in the world who play the best football i.e. man united, arsenal, barca and real madrid.

And in relation to wilburs comments, yes i agree you should support your home team but unfortunately i was a very young and impresionable child and thought no fucking way am i supporting cardiff city (3rd division at the time) and saw man united on t.v and immediately wanted to support them. Ive supported united for almost 15 years now and yes i only go up to see them maybe 4 or 5 times a year but manchester is a fair way away and that doesnt take away from the passion i feel for united in every game that i watch. Ive tried to feel the same passion for cardiff over recent years (went to see them in the semi and final of last years f.a. cup as well as dozens of home games) and i just dont feel it, whilst for united that simply isnt the case. so though i somewhat agree with what both yourself and thunder said your both way to closed minded imo and should take other peoples opinions into consideration.

[WillburForce]

I agree really ATOTHEC101, and it is up to Wesrman. But it would be nice to actually meet a foreigner, who says they like football and then doesn't go into "I love Beckham and Man U, I'm their number one fan"

- Thunders comments just fucked me off. Prick.

[ATOTHEC101]

I agree really ATOTHEC101, and it is up to Wesrman. But it would be nice to actually meet a foreigner, who says they like football and then doesn't go into "I love Beckham and Man U, I'm their number one fan"

- Thunders comments just fucked me off. Prick.

Yeah, I feel ya, though please thunder, keep posting your comments, they make me laugh everytime

[wesrman]

I agree really ATOTHEC101, and it is up to Wesrman. But it would be nice to actually meet a foreigner, who says they like football and then doesn't go into "I love Beckham and Man U, I'm their number one fan"

- Thunders comments just fucked me off. Prick.

For the record i think Beckham is a douche and i would never want to support a team he's on.

[bigred]

Bigred. You so gay.

I'm only half gay since you were the catcher.

[wesrman]

I watched a MLS game today after watching Manchester United vs Newcastle Untied and all i can say is wow there big difference between the EPL and MLS.

The MLS game was still fun to watch, but the skill difference was obvious about 10 seconds into the game. Not to mention the MLS game was played on an American Football field with the lines still on it..lol. Also the ball seemed to bounce a lot and looked hard to controll because of the field.

Im definitely starting to like football.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=madJ4...eature=related

[Ragnar4]

I watched a MLS game today after watching Manchester United vs Newcastle Untied and all i can say is wow there big difference between the EPL and MLS.

The MLS game was still fun to watch, but the skill difference was obvious about 10 seconds into the game. Not to mention the MLS game was played on an American Football field with the lines still on it..lol. Also the ball seemed to bounce a lot and looked hard to controll because of the field.

Im definitely starting to like football.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=madJ4...eature=related

Yeah the reason the skill level is so different is that those european clubs will come over and quietly pluck Americas best soccer players out of college before they are even Soph's or Jr.s I've got a buddy playing for Turkmenistans national club team, the guy makes more than the countries GDP.

[Thunder]

Yeah, I feel ya, though please thunder, keep posting your comments, they make me laugh everytime

Glad you find them so funny.

Considering I was speaking fact about the game, says a lot about you.

And if you can point out anything you feel incorrect in what I have posted then fucking say it and stop being a smarmy cunt, hiding behind "your posts make me laugh". Put up or shut up.

Muzz is also wrong for saying "EPL is easily the best league in the world, the fastest tempo and the most aggressive game with the best players in the world obv"
It's the most popular but it doesn't have the best players. As for being the best - that is subjective as to what parameters you base "best" on. In terms of technical and tactical ability it trails the Italian league.

Or is that BS too Atothec? Make you laugh some more?

And also, Atothec, you say I am close minded. Funny, as I was commenting that Wilbur (apart from being a fucktard) was being close minded and that I was being open minded. I called him on his pathetic attitude of having "respect" and of "glory hunters" and called on his complete lack of football knowledge. I also said Wes can support whoever he wants.

As for being a Man U fan. You think so when I pointed out Rooney is wank and that Ronaldo is vastly overrated? All of which can be proved with video evidence? Strange if you do.

Now, onto replying to Wilbur's shit....

Thunder mate. Shut the fuck up.

I'm your mate but then you try and lay into me? Errm, ok.
And no, you talk shite and I'm calling you on it with my SUPERIOR knowledge of football.

I'd out play you at football, poker or a fight folr that matter.

What does the fact you know fuck all about football and are giving bad advice got to do with playing the game? Or poker. Or a fight?
You sound like a 13 yr old. Sad fuck.

And you know all this too, without knowing me. Hmmm. That makes sense. [Sarcasm mode: off]

I'm 30 yrs old and have been going to West Ham since I was 5yrs old. As did my Dad and his Dad before that.

You're 30? You seem more like you're a kid, with your "I'm better than you , ooh, ooh, ooh!" schtick.

And just what the fuck has "west Ham" in the family got to do with the fact that you spout shit and are a dyed in the wool Hammers? Which, funnily enough, backs up what I was saying. A family of West ham supporters, wowo. Your knowledge of the game must be really fucking global and your attitude must be really spot on. [sarcasm mode: off]

U mouthy prick. Why do I not like Man Utd fans? Because I'm from London and actually support a London team.

Never questioned why you don't like Man U fans. And I'd wager the truth you hate Man U has nothing to do with being a dickhead from London but everything to do with West ham's passionate hatred for all things Man U. Bet you boo Rio Ferdinand too.

As for mouthy - you're the one who started off by telling Wes he can't have respect by supporting Man U and then urged him to support your 2 bit club.

A family team that means something to me. Unlike some mug who buys a shirt and thinks thats supporting a team.

Irrelevant.
Although it is amusing that you follow your team through family indoctrination rather than free will.

And yes Arsenal play the football in England. I don't watch any other league.

AND I REST MY CASE!!!

You previously wrote that Arsenal play the best football in the world. And yet you don't watch any other football.

End of.

But I remember Man Utd and yes they were a great side. But no they didn't play better football than Arsenal. End of.

yeah, like the testimony of a Man U hater is going to carry any weight. Arsenal's football never reached the level of Utd 94 - 2000. And that too can be proved, with the majesty of video.

I've also played Saturday league since I was19 and had a couple of trials when I was young. I'm now just joining a Senior league cause my knees have gone - but 3-4 days of footie a week for the past 15 odd years does that for you.

Thank you for this less than enthralling, self obsessed life history. But in short, what's the fucking point of it?

So what else you wanna know about football you gobby twat?

Me? It's you who needs to learn. Considering you DON'T WATCH ANY OTHER FOOTBALL and have mere limited knowledge of the EPL (and even that is wrong - see Arsenal playing better than Utd 94 - 2000).

Anytime you wanna compare "footy" notes, give us a shout. And you'll get found out and wanting again. As will your blinkered attitude and advice to others.

Or we could play poker - oh no hang on, you're shit at that as well.

Lol. And you know don't you? You know everything about me. My skill at poker. Football. Fighting. You know it all don't you and you spout it all oh so easily.

Or, you could just be full of shit and completely wrong - like your comments in this thread.

Re poker. I make a profit. never said I was the best but I have a +ROI. Still, the fact that you deemed fit to bring poker into a non poker debate just goes to show once again your penchant for irrelevancies. As well as highlighting an insecurity streak.

What next - my dad can beat up your dad?


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Fucking tool.

[badgers]

omg omg I am genuinely excited about this