about to start NL ring games

[rong]

Hi All

I'm usually just a SNG player, but about to leap over to NL ring games.

I currently have no real strategy, so about to learn but have a few questions.

Do things like the Renton ABCD theorum work at these low levels, ie $10nl & $25nl? Or should I be starting somewhere else in my learning journey?

How difficult are these games compared to $10 sng?

How deep should you assume other people are thinking at this level? Are the tables on Pokerstars fishy or are there a lot of good regs at this level?

How many hours play should/might it take until you can regularly beat these low levels and therefore build a roll to move up?

Plus any other helpful info you feel like throwing out there.

Thanks

Learn to play deep stacked poker and bluff much less than you would in a tourney. Blind steal and isolate limpers just as much as you would in a tourney, if not more. I had a hard time adjusting to cash games when switching from SNGs so good luck.

[Sir Pawnalot]

Learn to play deep stacked poker and bluff much less than you would in a tourney. Blind steal and isolate limpers just as much as you would in a tourney, if not more. I had a hard time adjusting to cash games when switching from SNGs so good luck.

From a theoretical point of view this is not true. In SNGs survival is the the most important concept. This means that in SNGs we must sometimes fold even though a bluff/valuebet is profitable in terms of chip EV.

In cash we always push our edge however so slight and we never fear losing all our chips. But our opponents do...

[Random_Hero]

was just about to post the EXACT same thread lol.

gonna try my hand at cash aswell after playing sng's exclusively. still gonna play sng's but I want to add cash aswell.

looking forward to more replies.

well at 10NL and 25NL you will find people called nits that you would definitely bluff a lot, so the ABCD theorem applies in that it helps you choose which hands you want to turn into bluffs and which hands you want to show down vs. a nit

if you're a 5ptbb winner at 10NL and you have $200 as your BR and want to move up to 25NL at $625 you can calculate that it will take you 42.5 BIs, which is 42500 hands give or take 20000

[atikabo]

At the onset of the game, play tight and bet only on monster hands. As the game progress, get to know the players style of betting and try to read their card. Once you got the feel of the game, that"s when you start your own game style. Good Luck and see you at the tables.

[Poker Orifice]

I've considered making the transition as well. I've always preferred playing MTT's but have read about so many players who formerly had played SNG's & MTT's but then switched over to the cash tables that it has got me to consider doing the same. Not being as familiar with cash-game play, or having put in anywhere near the time studying it has kept me from taking the plunge.
I've played some 10NL FR & 6-Max on a couple of sites where I'd actually initially cashed via a freeroll (DoylesRoom & PokerTime) and then exclusively played 10NL (& 20NL, ... they used to have 20NL there as well, prior to moving over to Cake), and managed to build them both up to around $200 apiece but never really putting in any decent sessions, instead just using it as time to play a bit when unable to make a committment time-wise to an MTT on other sites.
I also wanted to get some experience playing on them as I had plans of doing so on the site I regularly play on (mostly Fulltilt).

My experience on Fulltilt FR is (as mentioned above) alot of nits. Table selection seeming to be pretty important (I usually just use a table-finder). I've also played some 6-MaxNL (5 & 10NL), but never enough to feel confident in what I was doing (although I've been a winning player). (also used the 5NL to get used to multi-tabling 6-Max).
Most of my play on cash tables had been on FR so I was also trying to transition over to 6-Max as I do believe this is where the action is and where we can learn to isolate and exploit our oppents.
I read a bunch of guides, as well as Ryan Fess 6-MaxNL strategy Guide (<< which got me realizing I didn't really know much about the game at all.... at least not as much as I thought I did... but this is kinda typical).
Just the past few days I've been thinking aoubt giving the cash tables another go of it as I lost intersest prior to actually giving it a decent shot and never felt confident in moving up in limits (on that note, I have tracked a bunch of players I've been on tourney tables with and have found them dropping wads at 50 NL which has alos got me to thinking that I want a piece of that... they played real bad. It seems at that limit you get a few huge fish/recreational donks who don't mind dumping multiple buyins there.... but also knowing (& fearing) that there are a TON of really good players who regularly play that limit was well, just from reading thru a bunch of threads).
blah, blah, blah... yah..... .long-winded account of my experience (or more like 'inexperience') at cash tables.
OP, I've read a bunch of your posts in SNG section of the forum,... will be interested to see how it goes for ya.
I haven't played much FR or 6-Max on Stars but am rolled on there for 25NL but wouldn't mind putting in some time on 10NL on there with intentions of learning more (alot more) and potentially moving up to 25NL (& then 50NL). My small bit of expereince on there I've noticed that the Stars 10NL tables seem a bit more loose than the ones on Fulltilt (in FR anyways). TONS of short-stackers on Fulltilt as well.... didn't notice as many on Stars (but my sample-size isn't the hugest either).
I'm going to review some of the stuff on here also in regards to FR & 6-max (I suppose I should choose one of the other... (initially when I gave cash tables a go I was mostly playing FR as I was used to playing full tables in MTT's and 6-Max was a bit more action than I was used to) << wow.. that was a long brackets, lol.... AND will be interested in seeing other's comments on here and their suggestions for ya.

[Poker Orifice]

In SNGs survival is the the most important concept. This means that in SNGs we must sometimes fold even though a bluff/valuebet is profitable in terms of chip EV.

In cash we always push our edge however so slight and we never fear losing all our chips. But our opponents do...

^^ I like this comment here.
Fear of losing all my chips was a habit I had to (have to) try to break from playing SNG's & MTT's.