Wonderland's half way to 25nl - the crawl resumes

[wonderland]

Greetings my fellow classmates. It has been a wee while.

I took July off to do other important things and at the same time had lost my temper with the slow pace of getting through what i believed to be a pissy little micro stake. I still finished the month of June on target ($100 a month minimum profit) but at one stage i seemed doomed.

So...

Current BR: $513
Current Win Rate: 4PTBB
Total hands played ever: 57k
Total 10nl hands: 23k

Goal is to get to... pff... i dunno... i would say 30 buy-ins but can i last that long? Minimum is $600 I guess. 30 would obviously be $750 but man, it would be about October by the time i saw 25nl and i've been at 10 since May.

I also don't know where i am skill-wise. I feel like i'm in a void. Don't know where my growth priorities are.

Been ok since i started playing again. Five sessions, only one losing money. I usually win five bucks. Slow and steady. Folding a lot but missing a lot too.

Questions:
1. Keithe, 6-max vp thing, pm me for the love of god!
2. Has ANYONE (uk wise i believe) seen the new hand import thing where pokertracker seperates "10nl 6max" from "10nl 6max USD" So now my stats are all screwy!? Same game i've always played! when did this happen!?

1st! Good luck man. I'm about at the same stage as you with this poker thing. Who will get there first?!

[Keith]

good luck Andy

6 max .......5vpps per $ of Rake split between all the players at the the table ....
so 1$ rake and 5 players ...everyone gets 1VPP
fractional points are awarded so you get part points every hand and they are a lot more than the old system at 10NL.

the usd thing has been mentioned in Holdem manager forums something to do with currency tables

[wonderland]

Ok, things are going good still. Consistent for the time being.

Where i'm up to in terms of practical technique:

- still playing a tight range and very tight/implied odds range oop.
- still folding when i ought to
- starting to know when to check flops (combination of things, maybe some subconscious but mainly if i have nothing to obviously rep and have no particularly great outs/chances of improving)
- still good at (maybe getting better at) extracting thick value (that is when i'm way ahead, getting the most out of it).
- playing 2-3 tables (only just fully realised i was doing this actually) instead of 5-6 (i want to feel like i know the personalities of the players before i open up a new table, not just their stats).

The point about extracting value is interesting. Lately i'm finding people bet for me. So i just act weak and they try to push me off a hand. Today i check raised someone a reasonable chunk of their stack. I made my straight with 45 and a second ace hit the river. I just had this feeling he had one so i checked raised. This normally scares people off a hand a LOT but i felt he'd never fold trip aces. Not so sure if i shouldn't have gone all-in BUT he had only bet .50c which wasn't the boldest of bets to c/r all-in against. And i've found it is best to bet medium and get called than shove and get dozens of folds time and time again.

What's next to learn i'm not sure. I need some of my old teachers to come back and shout at me.

[wonderland]

ok, no one fuckin well reads this op anyway, so i'll just use it as a vent journal.

Went on a downer yesterday, lost a couple of buy-ins which is major to me because i never win multiple buy-ins, just halfs or ones now and then. So that set me back a week. So today i decide to grind it back at 5nl. Risk free easy money. I lost over 3 buy-ins at 5nl which translates to almost another 2 buy-ins at 10. Haven't experienced one of these in a LONG time. Basically erased half a month's work.

It was 15% playing bad, 15% tilt and 70% weird weird WEIRD bad, freak bad luck.

I'm rather a mess. My motivation was rock bottom when i took that month off. I just can't go on like this. Approaching the half year mark at 10nl. It's killing me. Body is bruised to fuck from a weekend of tilt rage.

It got to where i was just laughing and watching my almost nut hands get beaten each time. No hand was good enough.

[AdamThePirate]

post some hh's. What is your post above going to help you achieve?

[Gobbatino]

Maybe you need to learn to lose better. In poker you lose. It's part of the game, sometimes it's like the gods of luck are out to get you and it feels hopeless but regardless, it's part of poker. And the best (worst) thing, is on the next hand, you have no guarantee that you won't get sucked out on again. And the next one either. It's one of poker's realities that is hard to swallow.

You need to get past being angry after some bad luck. Angry will get you off your game. Instead try to simply accept it. It sounds arrogant for me to preach this, and I am by no means able to just wave off bad beat after bad beat, watching buy in after buy in go to that god damn donk who just happens to catch that 2-3 outer on the river every time myself but it's what we should strive to reach. Acceptance - and then eventually indifference, the point at which you don't even bat an eyelid but instead analyze the hand, make a couple notes and move on because you've got three other hands to play on other tables and you need to play them the best you fucking can.

The bottom line is unless you made a mistake during the hand in which you took a bad beat, then it's a thing of the past and you can't do anything about it and you should regard it as such. From here on it's a clean slate - on to the next hand. You can't think, "omg this puts me down to one and a half buy ins down for the session this fucking sucks", it's irrelevant. Forget it. Move on. You can't even think "omg I lost what I made during the last four sessions", that's also irrelevant, it has no significance whatsoever. Forget it, move on, next hand and make damn sure you play it the best you can. Because if you don't, then you are losing money and poker is a game of small edges, if you don't take advantage of each and every single one, you will have a hard time making money.

Basically this is what I tell myself when I run into bad luck. Full focus on the hand(s) I'm playing and trust me you won't have time to be angry or even frustrated (though frustration is better than anger and will tilt you less).

Hope it helps. And keep on going on, man. If you don't do it no one will.

[wonderland]

Cheers Gobbatino.

Actually i do have a question of sorts. One of the largest or largER portions of my losses was down to opening with great hands, getting called a big light, hitting something or at least amazing draws, betting my draws, getting no folds and never hitting the draw. Anyone got anything to say on that matter?

I wanted to stop betting my draws is the thing. I'd have saved a LOT of $$

This kind of move wiped me OUT.

[Schya]

Wonderland you'll be okay man. Losing a stack sucks i used to get pissed all the time. Last night AA < k6o TWICE within 30 mins, KK < 78o. It just comes with the territory you should be happy at what people are calling with. I just giggled shrugged it off and kept playing. A few weeks ago i wouldve tilted major. Just do your best to not worry about them. You've shown you can make a few $$$. Keep on studyng/learning/playing. It will be fine my friend.

[Cougar]

Feel your pain Wonder, it's a tough game!

Going through my first 6 BI downswing myself in the 65k hands that I have played (is it me or is it the variance??) <Hears Spoon Chuckle>

Formula For Success:
Identify Questionable Hands + Post HH (along with analysis/ranges) + Receive FTR Feedback + Lots of Thinking/Reflection/Processing + Focused Application of Learning into Future Hands = Long Term Improvement + More $$$ + Moving Up Stakes

[wonderland]

once again.

close op please mod.

i just can't handle this. I'm quitting for good or at least a year. Looking towards another 6 months of 10nl is like living a nightmare. I can't do it. Coz then there'd be a good couple of years at 25nl. So there's just very little point in trying to consider getting to 100nl.

To have the biggest downswing EVER after having a one month break because i was making such pathetic progress... it's too much.

Put my spare time to better use.

Thanks to those who have helped.

[lolzzz_321]

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