Weird nitfish/nitreg at NL100

24/8/0.5
basically he's tight but extremely passive so I didn't know what to make of this

I confused the action in the hand, I thought I raised pre for some reason

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($117.80)
BB ($212)
UTG ($39)
MP ($120.45)
CO ($135.50)
Button ($38.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, Q
2 folds, CO bets $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($12) 8, 3, 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $8, 1 fold, CO calls $8

Turn: ($28) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO calls $18

River: ($64) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $87.80 (All-In)

I was trying to rep the missed flush draw, is this too optimistic? I thought the turn card is a perfect card to barrel if I had a flush draw (I also incidentally hit it)

[bjsaust]

Passive in a CS way, or a weak-tight way?

Passive in a CS way, or a weak-tight way?

counterstrike?

[bjsaust]

Calling Station.

Passive in a CS way, or a weak-tight way?

I'd say weak-tight more than calling station

[Marshall28]

Looks fine.

[Fnord]

Seems fine to me. I would bet $40 on the river and consider calling a raise because shoving looks like you're leveling with a value bet.

Seems fine to me. I would bet $40 on the river and consider calling a raise because shoving looks like you're leveling with a value bet.

yeah although it's a more standard line it's probably better

[minSim]

You played counterstrike IOPQ?

[Marshall28]

I disagree w/ betting 40 and calling a shove. You need a specific dynamic, and a very specific type of opponent to make that play profitable. Plus he has to be on some kind of tilt and you have to know about it. I do agree that shoving looks like an attempt at a level, but the mere fact that something looks like an attempt at a level can look that way in an opponents eyes, who can convince himself that you are attempting to attempt to level and jump one too far ahead and make the call. If you learn he's the type of player to read into this and to fold because of it, well, you just gained yourself a very strong read on a player that can make you a lot of money down the line by forcing him out in similar situations when you miss your draw or need to turn a made hand into a bluff.

[griffey24]

22 on the turn, ship river

I really don't think people focus enough on their turn sizing. A lot of times in a hand if you screw up turn sizing, you screw up the entire result of the hand (ie: get a river fold when you wanted a call or vice versa).

I disagree w/ betting 40 and calling a shove. You need a specific dynamic, and a very specific type of opponent to make that play profitable. Plus he has to be on some kind of tilt and you have to know about it. I do agree that shoving looks like an attempt at a level, but the mere fact that something looks like an attempt at a level can look that way in an opponents eyes, who can convince himself that you are attempting to attempt to level and jump one too far ahead and make the call. If you learn he's the type of player to read into this and to fold because of it, well, you just gained yourself a very strong read on a player that can make you a lot of money down the line by forcing him out in similar situations when you miss your draw or need to turn a made hand into a bluff.

I think $40 and fold to a shove is reasonable given how passive he is he'll probably flat a better queen or an overpair

[mixchange]

Seems fine to me. I would bet $40 on the river and consider calling a raise because shoving looks like you're leveling with a value bet.

yeah although it's a more standard line it's probably better

definitely, as overshoves are more likely to be read as value, while people are more likely to call a large bet when the FD whiffs

You played counterstrike IOPQ?

yes and I was really bad

[Marshall28]

I disagree w/ betting 40 and calling a shove. You need a specific dynamic, and a very specific type of opponent to make that play profitable. Plus he has to be on some kind of tilt and you have to know about it. I do agree that shoving looks like an attempt at a level, but the mere fact that something looks like an attempt at a level can look that way in an opponents eyes, who can convince himself that you are attempting to attempt to level and jump one too far ahead and make the call. If you learn he's the type of player to read into this and to fold because of it, well, you just gained yourself a very strong read on a player that can make you a lot of money down the line by forcing him out in similar situations when you miss your draw or need to turn a made hand into a bluff.

I think $40 and fold to a shove is reasonable given how passive he is he'll probably flat a better queen or an overpair

So if you didn't make a pair on the turn and missed the river, you would be shoving here as a bluff often?

I disagree w/ betting 40 and calling a shove. You need a specific dynamic, and a very specific type of opponent to make that play profitable. Plus he has to be on some kind of tilt and you have to know about it. I do agree that shoving looks like an attempt at a level, but the mere fact that something looks like an attempt at a level can look that way in an opponents eyes, who can convince himself that you are attempting to attempt to level and jump one too far ahead and make the call. If you learn he's the type of player to read into this and to fold because of it, well, you just gained yourself a very strong read on a player that can make you a lot of money down the line by forcing him out in similar situations when you miss your draw or need to turn a made hand into a bluff.

I think $40 and fold to a shove is reasonable given how passive he is he'll probably flat a better queen or an overpair

So if you didn't make a pair on the turn and missed the river, you would be shoving here as a bluff often?

probably not a blank river, but probably a diamond, possibly 5,6,7 and rivers that I hit obv

[Marshall28]

So this river is bad to shove as a bluff and it's bad to shove for value? ....

::Confused::

So this river is bad to shove as a bluff and it's bad to shove for value? ....

::Confused::

it's probably bad bet sizing to shove

[Marshall28]

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Try to think outside of it.

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Try to think outside of it.

if that's a box I'm an elephant

[Marshall28]

LOL i swear to god it looked different when I was making it.