Negreanu Struggles at 10NL...lol

[PlayToWin]

You can follow his challenge here:
http://tinyurl.com/9mwnpp

Here are his 10NL results so far:
#Hands : Results
68 -$10.00
26 +$12.15
93 +$20.85
22 -$10.00
48 -$10.00
42 -$10.00
64 +$9.65

[bigspenda73]

looks like he's breakeven over an enormous 350 hands

live pros probably have a horribly skewed prospective of long term

[Stacks]

looks like he's breakeven over an enormous 350 hands

live pros probably have a horribly skewed prospective of long term

this

and lol @ actually following his progress.

Noone is following my progress

[LuckySlevin]

Nice one I love reading about pro challenges like this, thanks for posting he's playing with 5bi's per level at the micros =( wished I could do that. Oh well you know it makes sense to stay with a decent number of bi's slevin...!

[bigspenda73]

DN currently playing the 400/800 8-game with like a $100k stack

maybe he gave up after that BRUTAL breakeven stretch, hell, that's like breaking even in the casino for 15 hours

DN currently playing the 400/800 8-game with like a $100k stack

maybe he gave up after that BRUTAL breakeven stretch, hell, that's like breaking even in the casino for 15 hours

been there done that

[LuckySlevin]

Maybe I need to get out more, but I find it so inspiring to see pro's down at these small stakes that us micro grinders of ftr are trying to build a br from, kind of gives them some validation...

Yeah I really need to get out more!

[bigspenda73]

def. get out more

[LuckySlevin]

lol to correct my earlier post... he's not using a 5bi rule, he's using a 1/5 BR Bi rule...

think you are missing something. I will ALWAYS have 1/5 of my BR as a buy in, even after losing a buy in. So for example, if I started with $10.00 at $0.01-$0.02 and lost my bankroll every time it would go like this:

-2.00
-1.60
-1.28
-1.02
-1.00
-1.00
-1.00
-1.10

Thats got to be the weirdest BR mngmt i've ever heard of

[bigspenda73]

but it's impossible to go broke!

Stars might have to install .0001/.0002 tables, but he'll never bust!

[LuckySlevin]

but it's impossible to go broke!

Stars might have to install .0001/.0002 tables, but he'll never bust!

hey guys we should stalk him and try to flip for stacks with him to get him to bust

[PlayToWin]

I find it so inspiring to see pro's down at these small stakes that us micro grinders of ftr are trying to build a br from

He'll probably write a book about small stakes poker and make a few hundred thousand. lol

[BooG690]

His real aggressive bankroll strategy at the nanostakes has inspired me to take a stab at 5NL. I'm crushing 2NL and there's no reason for me to stay down here all too long. Thanks DN!

[oskar]

His real aggressive bankroll strategy at the nanostakes has inspired me to take a stab at 5NL. I'm crushing 2NL and there's no reason for me to stay down here all too long. Thanks DN!

I second that. With this and his "Smallball poker" strategy articles he's single handedly putting more fish in the pool than anybody in the history of online poker.
Thank you Daniel!
This and Helmuths "Most beginning online players raise way too much when they should be calling."
I Phil

We should start a "Time to take 5BI shots" - thread. Everybody post network and player ID so we can "Track" your "Results".

[LawDude]

Bear in mind that even though the players at 10NL are not nearly as good as the players Negraneau normally faces, they may very well be DIFFERENT. In other words, the reads and ranges (a big part of his game) are different, the styles are different, the leaks are different. Things that expert players do when playing each other or good players (e.g., c-betting the flop, betting the flop to get a free card on the turn, etc.) have to be curtailed or modified when playing at a lower level.

Obviously this is a small sample, but I could imagine that a professional poker player dipping into low stakes play might, at the very least, need some time to get used to it before winning consistently.

[Airles™]

Hellmuth is an enigma. The shit Hellmuth spews from his mouth along with the numerous blowups and bad beats on TV would lead most to believe the man is a fraud. It's gotta be an act. As for everything he says in regards to strategy, he's obviously not giving anyone credit for having ANY poker knowledge whatsoever. (See AOK 19 Hand Post)

[LuckySlevin]

I used to think Hellmuth was arrogant and rude... the first time I saw him, now I realise he means no harm and is like a little kid in them blow ups he's one of my favourite players I love watching him play, he's very entertaining

I don't think this is what the Bible meant when it tells us to be more like Jesus

[ArcadianRock]

I think Daniel isn't fairing so well because maybe he's giving the players too much credit or he is just so used to looking at opponents and just getting the feel that they're bluffing or something whereas online you can't really do that.

"Aha! It took him 15 seconds to call, he has a low pair!"

And in reality the guy just dropped his donut and was searching for it.

[Stacks]

I think Daniel isn't fairing so well because maybe he's giving the players too much credit or he is just so used to looking at opponents and just getting the feel that they're bluffing or something whereas online you can't really do that.

"Aha! It took him 15 seconds to call, he has a low pair!"

And in reality the guy just dropped his donut and was searching for it.

yeah this!!!

OR....

He has played a really small sample on hands, and anything can happen over that sample of hands.

[Airles™]

Yeah, really. I don't even know why this is an issue. The best players in the world (which includes DN) are going to hit a string of short-term variance. I doubt he's struggling with decision making, so yeah, give me a break.

[ArcadianRock]

You can't control the cards after all.

[LawDude]

Yeah, really. I don't even know why this is an issue. The best players in the world (which includes DN) are going to hit a string of short-term variance. I doubt he's struggling with decision making, so yeah, give me a break.

Not decision-making, but the fact that 10NL players may indicate different ranges by their play than he is used to in the higher stakes games and tournaments he normally frequents. And that they may react differently to common betting strategies.

Of course this could very well be short term variance, in any rate. All I am saying is that it isn't a total shock that a professional player could actually have some trouble in microstakes. There really is an adjustment one would have to make.

[Airles™]

Again, give me a break. His ability to adjust to table conditions is one of the reasons why he's a pro. I'm not buying it.

[LawDude]

Again, give me a break. His ability to adjust to table conditions is one of the reasons why he's a pro. I'm not buying it.

There's a difference between adjusting among the various table conditions one often sees at the level one regularly plays at and adjusting to completely different prevailing table conditions. $10NL online is simply a very, very different game from high stakes ring poker. The players are doing very different things.

I have no doubt that if Negraneau keeps at it, he'll clean 10NL players' clocks. But that doesn't mean that it isn't a culture shock at first.

[d0zer]

It's obvious he's just going on monkey-tilt like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3mrX5j27rU

[Stacks]

I mean obviously the play is going to be a bit different. But obviously it's an adjustment he is aware of, and one that he can easily make. And at any rate, he still has an edge even if he doesn't make an adjustment to the microstakes.

[sil693]

lol at DN struggling at micros.. srsly?

[Airles™]

It's obvious he's just going on monkey-tilt like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3mrX5j27rU

Funny as hell... too bad it was a work.

[BooG690]

We should start a "Time to take 5BI shots" - thread. Everybody post network and player ID so we can "Track" your "Results".

LOL Start the thread and I'll be there!

[Kijjo]

funny clip

[3cent]

well im at least surprised, when i see comments regarding KIDPOKER sn on this forum who's supposed to have quality poker players

majority of ppl here should try to get at least one WSOP bracelet before bashing negreanu's attempt

ps i laughed at the one who's switching to 10nl from 5nl after reading about negreanu's style of play in this attempt... funny beginners...