All-in underbets (nut straight on turn, multiway)

[tunah]

This hand confused me and as a result I played it bad. I thought I knew the rules of poker by now... edit I can use images now yay

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($9.27)
MP2 ($1.96)
Hero (UTG) ($8.07)
SB ($6.35)
MP1 ($2)
Button ($4.30)
UTG+1 ($4.96)
CO ($10.47)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 10
UTG+1 calls $0.04, MP1 calls $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, MP3 calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.26) 3, J, Q (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.12, MP1 calls $0.12, MP2 calls $0.12, MP3 calls $0.12, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.86) 8 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16, MP2 calls $0.16, MP3 calls $0.16, Hero raises $1.33, UTG+1 calls $1.17, MP1 calls $1.17, MP2 raises to $1.80 (All-In), MP3 calls $1.64, Hero calls $0.47, UTG+1 calls $0.47, MP1 calls $0.47

River: ($9.86) 3 (5 players, 1 all-in)
Hero ???

So BB special, I flop a straight draw, it completes on the turn giving me the nuts. Since there was a bet and so many callers on the previous street I decide to checkraise it.

The flop raiser raises again and all call, I reraise 3/4 pot as I'm afraid of him folding if I push here. I think he's got a set or top two pair. He calls.

One of the callers comes over the top for not much more, and I want to reshove but the software (party) won't let me, I can only fold or call. Of course I call with the nuts, but I don't really like being further committed without being able to push since either a flush or a board pair could well have me beat.

So first, what's the rule that applies here? I can't reraise if it was less than a full bet (i.e. the previous raise)? Or less than half a bet? Do I need to take this into account when sizing my bets in multiway pots?

Now the river completes the flush draw and pairs the board. All I really beat now is AQ and JQ. Do I have to check/fold to UTG+1's shove?

And of course other suggestions appreciated.

(I was still confused about not being able to reraise, I was first to act here, and shoved like an idiot...)

[bigspenda73]

sucks when that happens but you had no idea it was going to go down like that so you can't blame yourself. My guess in a 5way pot with that turn action that it's probably best just to c/f the river.

3d is 2nd worst river card behind the Qd, so it's a pretty easy c/f

[AFchung]

that river card kills your hand

why didnt you pump it in on the turn?

[kb coolman]

Um, this makes no sense. It's No Limit. This must be a glitch. Have you reported it?

[bigspenda73]

not a glitch at all, if the all-in raise is not a minraise (less than the minimum required to make a full raise) then the original raiser cannot re-raise over it.

[tunah]

that river card kills your hand

why didnt you pump it in on the turn?

I'm first to act on the turn, pushing would be a 6xpot overbet, and I didn't think I'd get paid off. I was pretty sure someone would raise.

After UTG+1 raises and it gets back to me, the pot is $1.50 so pushing would still be a 3xpot overbet. I thought I shouldn't push them out yet. (The money went in after my raise).

Um, this makes no sense. It's No Limit. This must be a glitch. Have you reported it?

My initial reaction was 'glitch' but I vaguely remembered a rule about underbets when someone raises all-in but doesn't have enough for a minraise. edit: thanks for the explanation Spenda.

[flomo]

river card sucks

turn-->shove it all for me with that many hands out

[tunah]

turn-->shove it all for me with that many hands out

Cool. I still get sucked out on by the full house (guy wasn't laying down jacks here) but at least no flush.

That's check/shove or bet/shove right?

[kb coolman]

not a glitch at all, if the all-in raise is not a minraise (less than the minimum required to make a full raise) then the original raiser cannot re-raise over it.

Ah...that makes sense.