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    Default 2/4 - ATo - thin value on scary board?

    Villain is 25/19/3.1 over 1.7k hands, 3bets 11.5%. Turn check standard? Any river value here?

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    CO ($400)
    Button ($800.50)
    SB ($410)
    BB ($415.60)
    UTG ($447.60)
    Hero (MP) ($424)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 10
    1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, BB calls $10

    Flop: ($30) A, K, J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB calls $24

    Turn: ($78) 10 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($78) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero...
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    How well does he play? How often would he c/r bluff? I generally go for a small value bet here and play my read if raised.
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    bleh, seems like your ahead too often to not bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    How well does he play? How often would he c/r bluff?
    My notes are all pre-flop, but he is Russian River c/r is 27% which is really high, but even this many hands is a small sample for something like that.
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    Bet/Snap if he can beat Top Pair Up good for him.
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    bet is fine
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    If we are villain here how often should we be c/r bluffing the turn, assuming you had bet, or the river, assuming you checked the turn and then bet the river?

    btw I usually bet the river and close my eyes.
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    EZ bet but i would go very small.
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    ok...

    River: ($78) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB raises to $377.60 (All-In), Hero...
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    Probably snap it.
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    Easy value bet.
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    50 is not a good river bet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Probably snap it.
    umm.. this is a pretty easy fold I feel like.

    ANYTHING he called with on this board, for the most part, has SD value and likely also two pair now.

    I can't see many hands here that would legitimately need to turn itself into a bluff, so this is Qx a ton I think. AJ,KJ,KT,JT will all either c/f or c/c if they think you are bluffing. Qx will check bomb obviously, so we have to really be praying for a rag Ax or Kx turning itself into a bluff to call here.
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    I'm extremely confused by river raise size but fold, and agree with nutsinho bet less one river
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    I'm also confused and I don't think calling is hopeless but I'd still fold. Maybe I am a big pussy
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    I'm also confused and I don't think calling is hopeless but I'd still fold. Maybe I am a big pussy
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    himself fucker.
    It doesn't make sense for Hero to check a Q behind on that turn and vrs a guy who has an affinity for being russian and check/raising rivers, I'd gobble this bet up!
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