TPTK OOP $20NL

[OhBollocks]

Ok first off, iPoker saves my HH locally as XML files. Anyone know wtf XML is and how can I change it to save as text docs, or anything that HEM (or even I) can read?

Because its in XML I havent got HUD running, but thats ok as these are $20NL beginner tables. The beats keep raining but if you can stomach them then its a veritable goldmine.

What about the turn here?. I hate being flatted OOP on the flop like this. Ill stove what I think his range was when I get back online later but id like to get some opinions on the turn here. B/F? Check and see what opp does?

Villain is tight/passive, one of the better players (but thats not saying much)

6Max $20NL

Hero is SB $28.12
Villain is BU $25.44

Hero dealt

f,f,f,BUr$0.7,SBr$2.20,f,BUcall$1.60

Flop ($4.5)

Hero bets $4.00, BU calls

Turn

Hero?

[al yell]

i think i'd fire again here and only except to be raised by better. Same for virtually any River.

[oskar]

You realize this is a blank?
Try to put him on a range:
What would he call on the flop with rather than raising?
If he is tight/passive as you say it's pretty unlikely he's going to shove/bluff the river on a scare card if you check to him. I would bet just under the pot and c/f the river.
Against a loose/passive player I would overbet the pot so he doesn't get the right implied odds, and just shove any river.

I don't agree that you're only getting raised by better on the turn. Often enough it's somebody who doesn't want to give up his draw, and doesn't want to have a decision on the river. I call a shove on the turn after the flat-call on the flop. Might be a leak.

Alternatively you can check it for pot control, but you won't make any more money in this hand, and you're giving the gazillion draws that are out there a free card.

[oskar]

I'm just going to add this because I think sometimes this might not be so self-evident:
You are not trying to make the right decision against this one villain in this hand. You are trying to make the right decision against all villains that play similarly, and against the range of hands they can have.
You're not trying to figure out if he's holding QK or QJ here, you're trying to figure out what % of times he has either one of these hands, and make a decision that is correct against the sum of all possible scenarios.

[OhBollocks]

Thanks for the replies

You realize this is a blank?
Try to put him on a range:
What would he call on the flop with rather than raising?
If he is tight/passive as you say it's pretty unlikely he's going to shove/bluff the river on a scare card if you check to him. I would bet just under the pot and c/f the river.
Against a loose/passive player I would overbet the pot so he doesn't get the right implied odds, and just shove any river.

I don't agree that you're only getting raised by better on the turn. Often enough it's somebody who doesn't want to give up his draw, and doesn't want to have a decision on the river. I call a shove on the turn after the flat-call on the flop. Might be a leak.

Alternatively you can check it for pot control, but you won't make any more money in this hand, and you're giving the gazillion draws that are out there a free card.

Yeah, Im aware the turn is a brick. If I had position here the hand is standard for me, but I dont like being OOP when the pot starts growing. Ive put him on a range here and stoved it.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,998,788 games 24.406 secs 81,897 games/sec

Board: Qc 9s Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.974% 48.44% 03.53% 968236 70616.50 { AhQd }
Hand 1: 48.026% 44.49% 03.53% 889319 70616.50 { QQ-66, AQs-ATs, KTs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KJo+ }

So yeah were just ahead of his range here (hows the range btw?) but that doesnt tell me how to play this pot most effectively. If we bet just under PSB then I dont see how we can possibly c/f the river. We will be looking at a call of $9 into a pot of $51

Is checking the turn terribad?

[bikes]

B/F

c/cing the turn is bad. You have no idea where he's at and he may fire his entire range since it looks like you gave up. Which may or may not fire the river which again puts you in a bad spot.

[OhBollocks]

B/F

c/cing the turn is bad. You have no idea where he's at and he may fire his entire range since it looks like you gave up. Which may or may not fire the river which again puts you in a bad spot.

I see the logic of B/F which I would have done automatically if the turn was a scare-card. Why am I so unsure of it here?

What if say we bet the turn and get flatted and the river falls blank? Check/call?

since this is a 3b pot we might just have to check/call river if we bet pot on the turn

but I don't think your range is wide enough, I've had villains call 3 bets with ATo and AKs
so when making ranges like that go wide instead of narrow
in fact include AA, KK in there too

you're betting slightly under a PSB here you're SO pot committed that you can't fold to a shove