facing 3-bet monkeys

[will641]

i was playing HU, and this guy was just literally 3-betting me like 70% of the time. how do you adjust to that when you think he will just 5-bet when you 4-bet bluff? is there anything to do be raise tighter and just call more?

edit: also he didnt really slow down post flop.

[bigspenda73]

limp the button?

[pocketfours]

4-bet lighter for value (call shove) and start to limp the button with mediocre hands you want to see a flop with. Don't 4-bet very big hands to make your 3-bet call range stronger. Don't fold top pair in 3-bet pots.

[Da GOAT]

minraise button also to make calling his 3bet easier too.

[Da GOAT]

also obv leave table

[ATOTHEC101]

also obv leave table

why? someone who is 3 betting 70 percent of the time is super exploitable. specially if they r super agro post flop. just play alot of pots in position through limping /minraising as youve already mentioned. just flat his 3 bets with your big pairs and play for stacks alot lighter both preflop and post. sure it has some variance to it but id much prefer to play this guy than a nit.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

also obv leave table

worst suggestion ever

[mcatdog]

also obv leave table

lol

[Numbr2intheWorld]

My standard adjustments (choose one or multiple):

1) fold buttons with bottom 10-20% of hands
2) minraise the button
3) flat 3-bets with any two over T, Kxs and Axs. Flat big pairs as well unless you feel a 4-bet will get paid off
4) 4-bet only as a bluff at very good game flow times
5) Flat most flop c-bets even with monsters and strong hands on drawy boards. Float some and bet turn and/or river as bluffs when you think it's good to.
6) Realize that what he is doing is a mistake and by playing correctly game theory wise preflop and on the flop (#3 and #5) you will take money from him because he is making a huge mistake.
7) Try as hard as you can not to get frustrated

personally i don't like limping but i don't think it's bad in this situation.

[bjsaust]

If you dont know how to adjust then leaving the table is a pretty safe option. I dont know why so many people lol at that. Its a much better idea than letting someone run all over you.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

If you dont know how to adjust then leaving the table is a pretty safe option. I dont know why so many people lol at that. Its a much better idea than letting someone run all over you.

It's just pretty easy money if you know what to do against it.

but you're right.

[kapilalink]

Massimo is right on point imo. Although today I was playing someone that made me think a little deeper about this subject. Basically he would start out playing pretty standard, but every time I won a decent size pot he would STEAM HARD either 3 betting huge or 3 bet shoving for 100-200 bbs.
Although if I tightened up what so ever preflop he would calm down and stop spewing pre. I realized that as long as I kept min raising every hand on button he would stay tilted until I could finally pick up a hand. I guess all I'm trying to say is that if notice that you're doing something that is annoying your opponent enough to make him make huge mistakes, then keep it up!!!!! Just something to think about.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I guess all I'm trying to say is that if notice that you're doing something that is annoying your opponent enough to make him make huge mistakes, then keep it up!!!!! Just something to think about.

This is a great point

The interesting thing about playing against 50BB stacks hu though is that if you raise 3x otb every hand, your opponent (and i don't know the math on this, just a guess though) can probably shove over on the first hands profitably with like 50% of hands if you are only calling like AT+, 88+. This makes me believe it has to be optimal to minraise the first 10 hands against less than 60BB stacks, and you may adjust to 3x if he isn't 3-betting.

[Da GOAT]

sowwy, i skimmed OP. i assumed opp was good.

*cry*

[sauce123]

well its not too far from optimal to raise a range of JJ+ AK otb in this situation, so work from there

[IowaSkinsFan]

70% threebet % is gigantically exploitable. You have a lot of choices. I wouldn't drastically change my strategy or anything besides tightening up a shit ton on the button. If we minraise he may stop making that mistake. Just raise like 25-30% of hands on the button.

[will641]

min raising really didnt slow him down at all.

[IowaSkinsFan]

You don't want to slow this guy down.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

massimo (9:20:46 AM): you know AK, AQs, and 99+
massimo (9:20:55 AM): is 3.8% of hands?
massimo (9:23:40 AM): that if you have someone 3-betting 20% of hands
massimo(9:23:48 AM): and he's stacking off with that
massimo(9:23:56 AM): you can just 4-bet shove any pair or Axs
massimo (9:24:08 AM): and you'll win 10BB's 5/6 times
massimo(9:24:18 AM): while getting it in with 31% equity the rest of the time

[gabe]

leaving the table isnt a bad idea at all if you had to make this thread. not sure why people dismissed that.

[Bmxicle]

If he's going to 5bet bluff your 4bets then AT and 77 become the nuts when you 4bet them. Also just call and use your position to exploit the hell out of him. You'll end up having to play for stacks with middle pair at times if he won't slow down postflop, but it's still wildly profitable.

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

massimo (9:20:46 AM): you know AK, AQs, and 99+
massimo (9:20:55 AM): is 3.8% of hands?
massimo (9:23:40 AM): that if you have someone 3-betting 20% of hands
massimo(9:23:48 AM): and he's stacking off with that
massimo(9:23:56 AM): you can just 4-bet shove any pair or Axs
massimo (9:24:08 AM): and you'll win 10BB's 5/6 times
massimo(9:24:18 AM): while getting it in with 31% equity the rest of the time

don't know if it changes anything, but AK/AQs/99+ is 4.2% of hands.

[Pino_Diablo]

leaving the table isnt a bad idea at all if you had to make this thread. not sure why people dismissed that.

that's my thoughts too, if you aren't comfortable playing it, leave
no harm in that.

i'd take notes on what the seasoned players are saying here, but just stay in your comfort level with a player or leave. in a SnG you are stuck playing so use the advice. i think we can all mix it up, but knowing how and when separates the winners from losers.

patience has been a mantra for me...but the HU i play is NON turbo low SnG. so what do i know? haha