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  1. #1
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    Default .5/1 6-max

    Hand 1: villain is 32/11/1

    Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 10
    UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG calls

    Flop: (5.0 SB) 4, 10, 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets, UTG calls

    Turn: (3.5 BB) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets, UTG calls

    River: (5.5 BB) A (2 players)
    Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero folds, 1 fold

    Total pot: 7.5 BB

    Hand 2:
    converter won't convert
    mag is 53/8/1.3
    jon is 35/22/1.7
    http://www.pokerhand.org/?3122553
  2. #2
    You know my inexperience compared to most here, small stakes I play, and that I'm a fr player, so take this with a grain of salt.

    Hand 1, I don't see how villian has a hand that would be scared of the A you want to fold. JJ, QQ, KK should have raised you preflop, on the flop, and/or on the turn. Also, some players w/ AK, AQ love to go for the c/r here (for some idiotic reason). That might slow JJ, QQ, KK down if for any reason you are up against them and get a free showdown for you. But that really seems like a slim/none possibility given the previous action. The river gives a lot of chasing callers a better hand. With all the draws filled by the turn and river, I'd rather save the bet for a c/c and allow 88, 99, and draws that missed like J8, KQ, and club flush draws a chance to bluff at the pot. I think your river bet gets worse hands to fold and better hands to call/raise. But I've become a bit of a river nit lately overcompensating for my previous river aggression. Again, take it for what little it's worth.

    Hand 2, every indication is you are behind the whole way. What hand 3-bets preflop and on the flop, plus leads the turn that you are ahead of? The relatively low agg factors combined with preflop/flop/turn aggression seem to indicate a stronger hand too. Do players at 6-max play AK, AQ this aggressively? I really don't know the answer.

    By the way, iopq, what is the change from fr to 6-max like? I know aggression goes up as does variance. Do you like the 6-max game better? And how do you like FT? Do they have a good bonus/player reward/rakeback program?
  3. #3
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    people call me down with second pair to the river a lot, but I see what you're saying

    I'm trying to err on the side of calling because calling slightly too much is a mistake of 1BB, but folding too much is a mistake of the whole pot

    I really should try to remember PF action when I play because usually I have no idea while playing... I'll go to another table fold j2o, and forget who 3-bet PF in the other hand
  4. #4
    The river such a good card to bluff on in the first hand. I'd look him up.
  5. #5
    Hand 1: That river card hits a pretty decent portion of his range. One problem with b/c is that there isn't a lot of his range that we beat that calls the river. A lot of Tx hands would raise the flop or turn. A hand like 87 or 65 is going to have a hard time paying us off. The other problem is we lose two bets when we're behind and the pot is too big to consider folding.

    If we c/c we can minimise our losses when behind and encourage Villian to bluff when he has air. He might even value bet a lot of those 87, 65, etc. hands that he wouldn't call with. I think it more likely he bets the worst hand if we check to him than bluff-raises if we bet.


    Hand 2: If we treat CO like a standard player, the range of hands he could have preflop is heavily weighted towards a big Ace or a big pair. Once he 3bets the flop after we capped preflop, he almost has to have TT+, and chances are it's not JJ. Just maybe he has 99 or (rarely) AK, but then those hands don't raise the river. It's tough to fold an overpair but I think we can on this river.

    On the turn: The pot's too big to fold at this point, but raising to try and shut out UTG+1 doesn't seem like a good idea either. I think we're behind so often that it's actually a mistake. If (on average) our equity is 5-10% it's not really worth protecting, and most of the time we will just be charging ourselves extra to draw to what is usually a two-outter.
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  6. #6
    CC #1. Love to induce there... min. loss.
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    yeah. I'm with Socal1111 on that.. check/call.

    Bet fold isn't much worse, and is still probably a good play.
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  8. #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by okiman
    By the way, iopq, what is the change from fr to 6-max like? I know aggression goes up as does variance. Do you like the 6-max game better? And how do you like FT? Do they have a good bonus/player reward/rakeback program?
    I seriously induce bluffs with most of my hands, I play like a god damn nit. Being aggresive doesn't pay off against people who call you down with their mid pps, second pairs, etc. I only cbet when the conditions are very favorable. In full ring I'd cbet almost every time.
    I'm currently clearing my $600 bonus on FT. I'm supposed to get $77 in rakeback too.
  9. #9
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    Speaking of folding on the river, the villain is terribad 73.7/5.3/0.42 over 19
    Full Tilt Poker
    Limit Holdem Ring game
    Limit: $0.50/$1
    6 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A 3
    UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

    Flop: 7 A 5 (8SB, 4 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, SB calls.

    Turn: 8 (5.5BB, 3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, SB calls.

    River: 8 (7.5BB, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero folds.
    Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to SB.

    Results:
    Final pot: 9.5BB
  10. #10
    What is he supposed to have? 86? 98? I smell a desparation bluff or some kind of retarded 3 pair slowplay like 75 or A7 much more than 1/10 times here. Look him up please.
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  11. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingDog
    What is he supposed to have? 86? 98? I smell a desparation bluff or some kind of retarded 3 pair slowplay like 75 or A7 much more than 1/10 times here. Look him up please.
    I don't think someone that passive is capable of raising the river on a bluff. The only hand that I can beat is three pair. I think he has an 8 or a turned straight here. He basically calls every flop so any hand is possible. I haven't seen the villain bluff... EVER over 100 hands

    but my pokerace hud doesn't update until I restart it... so I only had stats for the first 19 hands
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    i think the pot was big enough that you dont fold that last HH. with his AF, its probably the 8. but, 10.5:1 is pretty hard to resist.
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