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    Default two nut hand overshoves

    My goal with these overshoves was that they looked a lot bluffier than smaller valuebets. Std?

    This guy is a nit, 11/8/2. I've shown the tendency to get out of line on another table, but I dont know if he's paying attention.

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    UTG ($26)
    MP ($106.45)
    CO ($25.55)
    Button ($50.40)
    Hero ($50)
    BB ($47.50)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J.
    3 folds, Button raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, Button calls $5.

    Flop: ($14.50) 7, J, 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $7.5, Button calls $7.50.

    Turn: ($29.50) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $35.5 (All-In)



    This guy is a TAG, 23/15/3 after a small sample.

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    Button ($49.25)
    SB ($146.40)
    Hero ($59.55)
    UTG ($25.55)
    MP ($71)
    CO ($49.90)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
    2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50.

    Flop: ($4.25) K, 5, 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $2.5, Hero calls $2.50.

    Turn: ($9.25) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero raises to $11, CO calls $8.

    River: ($31.25) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $35
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    Hand 1 is silly.
    Hand 2 is fine, although it doesn't look all that bluffy to me. Might be at risk of blowing off a King.
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    Hand 1, I think $12 or so on the turn and shove the river is a better line. Hopefully he has enough of whatever that he'll feel pot committed into calling both bets.
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    on hand two you should definitely lead the turn, as that line would look considerably weaker and it would be possible for you to 3bet get it in.
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    1) bet more on the flop so you don't have to overbet shove the turn.

    2) I like a turn lead against thinking opponents cause it does look weaker. I don't know if it matters here cause I think you still stack a king.
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    1. If he's really a nit, I want to check turn and shove river.

    2. I agree with others, leading turn is better.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    1. Bad. A nit will not think you are semibluffing/bluffing very often on this particular board. I'd bet like 9.50 and shove the river.

    2. I am a fan of the turn c/r but shoving the river reeks uberstrength. You did a good job of making the pot big on the turn, but for you to be bluffing the river you would have had to turn something like 77 into a bluff. If villain, as i suspect, has no reason to put you on this type of move, then i'd just bet something dumb like 1$ less than half pot on the river to get a call from kq/ak/aa. btw- why didnt you 3bet preflop??
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    hand 1 i like a 1/2ish pot bet way better on the turn here since you bet similar on the flop. seets up a nice river shove.

    hand 2 i 3bet 100.000001% of the time here vs this villain. i think a 1/2-2/3 bet makes more money in the long run than overbetting here.
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    1 - Yea I felt this was pretty strong myself after thinking about it for a while. I guess I was experimenting with new lines, but I understand why this is bad.

    2 - No 3b pre just because I was mixing it up and I didnt have to worry about any squeezes. I thought I could underrep my hand and get maximum value out of a lower top pair. Yea river shove is a touch big.
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