Feb #7

[Marshall28]

I think it coulda been a mistake to turn my hand into a bluff on the turn here ... but villain was pretty tight player and thought his range could consist of QQ-TT pretty easily. Your guys thoughts?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($89.20)
UTG ($1672.50)
MP ($86.90)
CO ($987.75)
Marshall28 ($861.50)
SB ($418.10)

Preflop: Marshall28 is Button with , .
2 folds, CO raises to $14, Marshall28 raises to $48, 2 folds, CO calls $34.

Flop: ($102) , , (2 players)
CO checks, Marshall28 bets $86, CO calls $86.

Turn: ($274) (2 players)
CO checks, Marshall28 bets $185, CO calls $185.

River: ($644) (2 players)
CO checks, Marshall28 checks.

Final Pot: $644

[thizzSantaCruz]

I think your rage sounds accurate if villain is an unkown and your image isn't total dog shit.

[The Odds God]

I like it. You have to turn your hand into a bluff here, also to balance your range when you don't have anything. If you had air, you would bet here, right?

Did you consider betting the river?

[Galapogos]

Would you have fired the 3rd barrel on a lower river card? Just curious.

[IowaSkinsFan]

We should just compile these all into one thread it clutters the forum.

[Halv]

We should just compile these all into one thread it clutters the forum.

Yeah for real. This one is okay but wtf is with the coolers and the noninformatic titles?

On the hand in question, why did you bet the flop if his range is QQ-TT? It seems like if the flop bet is good then the 2nd barrell is bad and vice versa (though I'm always underestimating the value of protecting my hand).

Also, I might be missing something, but against ppl who call 3-bets tightly I'll flat 88 in position and rather reraise polarized.

[Ragnar4]

If you think villan's range is QQ-TT and your image is a spewy laggtard, the fold button is on the far right.

[wufwugy]

I think this hand could be really cool trying to figure out about river play. We need more info on images though.

[Marshall28]

villain is like 19/14, i had been 3betting him a lot, he wasnt calling me w/ a tight range or anything, i thought he could hold all pairs... and some unpaired high card hands.... he wasnt 4betting so premiums are in his range as well --- reason i didnt want to fire third barrel.

i thought flop bet was pretty standard, why c/b and let him get there w/ his high cards? when he flats i figure he has a pr bigger or smaller than mine and regardless hes gonna fold on a K turn ... why would he fold river if he calls turn?

[wufwugy]

why would he fold river if he calls turn?

Because we're 200bb deep and he is extremely uncomfortable without an awesome hand.

A lot about river requires more depth to evaluate well imo. Like is he gonna c/c turn K with QQ even, or is he gonna call down AA or even KK after turn hits? Does he think you're super bluffy, is he stationy? He looks kinda stationy and actually might be a bit with unsure hands in a deep pot vs a laggro.

I don't play deep and I never really want to unless I'm super super awesome at this game so my ideas could be a bit off. An impression I get from good deep play though is that they make a ton by bluffing since most players are extremely uncomfortable deep.

[Marshall28]

in my experience deep ... when villain gets uncomfortable and has a hand he values to be high, he snap calls cuz he doesnt want to out think himself. i thought this villain was bad enough to do that type of thing.

for what it's worth, villain is el_imbecile, he seems to be a reg on 2/4 at FT, a poor one at that.