QQ vs Maniac

[Kits]

Villain is a crazy gambler running 51/25. He got his monies by stacking the SB three times with some horrid beats. He likes to do stuff like open raise to $15 and shove his money in on scare cards. His three bet range is huge and includes any two face cards. I am running 15/10 and have not gotten out of line.

Comments appreciated.

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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SB: $49.50
BB: $265.17
Hero (UTG): $97.54
MP: $50.83
CO: $114.23
BTN: $77.97

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $2, MP calls $2, 3 folds, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $21, MP folds, BB calls $14

Flop: ($44.25) 2 7 5 (2 Players)
BB bets $8, Hero raises to $35, BB calls $27

Turn: ($114.25) K (2 Players)
BB bets $209.17 and is All-In, Hero?

[Fnord]

Go all-in on the flop. Stop making shitty little value bets against terrible players. You're missing a small fortune.

[Marshall28]

zero problem w/ the way you played it as long as u called all in. GO WITH YOUR READ! your read was that he makes big all in bets on scare cards ... HE JUST DID IT !!! lol, he has to have like Kd exactly for u to be in bad shape, and like u said, he can have any random crap here. snap call !!!

[Ash256]

your read was that he makes big all in bets on scare cards ... HE JUST DID IT !!!

That's what I was thinking!

[Galapogos]

Push flop.

[clarkatroid]

Go all-in on the flop. Stop making shitty little value bets against terrible players. You're missing a small fortune.

i disagree with this. theres 44 in the pot on the flop and you want hero to over play his hand by overshoving 75 on a dreamy flop.

i like the ops line, as you are exacting a further retarded bet from him on the turn, as he is betting literally all turn cards 100%. by shoving this flop you are losing value from most his range and taking away his speciality trick of doing very stupid things............. as long as u called all in that is

[Galapogos]

Go all-in on the flop. Stop making shitty little value bets against terrible players. You're missing a small fortune.

i disagree with this. theres 44 in the pot on the flop and you want hero to over play his hand by overshoving 75 on a dreamy flop.

$75 is barely more than a pot bet.

[Fnord]

$75 is barely more than a pot bet.

...and I don't see any value playing a turn here.

Going all-in here reduces the value of his weak draws against our all-in range and looks like a semi-bluff that will inspire weaker one pair hands to get all heroic.

Perhaps even a LHE concept applies here. When the pot is big, we should maximize our chance to win it.

[clarkatroid]

but we are ahead of 95% of villains range on the flop, with a super strong draw as insurance. we are felting regardless. by overshoving this flop we are forcing the spewtard into folding much of this range, with is made up of many 1 pair no diamond, and 1 pair weaker diamond hands, not to mention tons of of hands he might be holding that he is drawing dead or near dead.

i dont see how shoving 75 into 44 is optimal. what card are we really scared of hitting the turn? if it is a non diamond king or ace then ill take my chances, but overshoving here because u are afraid of 6 cards that may appear, that may or may not help villains hand dont make any sense to me.

this flop is the nuts as far as im concerned vs this villain

By overshoving, we are not giving the spewtard a chance to do what a spewtard does. let him donk any turn.

does no one agree with me?

[Marshall28]

arguments in a vacuum aside, i think shoving the flop is fine, but against this particualr player we want to let him hang himself when we are in such a good situation, for that reason i like the way OP played it, as long as he did call the turn all in.

[Kits]

i disagree with this. theres 44 in the pot on the flop and you want hero to over play his hand by overshoving 75 on a dreamy flop.

i like the ops line, as you are exacting a further retarded bet from him on the turn, as he is betting literally all turn cards 100%. by shoving this flop you are losing value from most his range and taking away his speciality trick of doing very stupid things............. as long as u called all in that is

This was exactly what I was thinking when I made this play.

Push flop.

I also considered this but thought his flop bet was too small and an all-in move would push him off his hand.

For the results oriented I (of course) called the all-in, river came Th and villain turned KcTc for two pair. I'm still not sure how he can call my flop raise with that hand but I have added him to my buddy list.

[sil693]

There is just something I'm obviously loking at wrong. If his 3bet range includes any 2 face cards, surely the K is well within his range, despite the fact he likes to shove on scare cards. I am aware he didnt make a 3bet and only called one, but surely the 2 aren't that different. I'd have to fold the turn. Any logic to this?

[Halv]

I'm with clark/marshall. Let him shove the flop or donk the turn.

Fnord, I think the one pair hands will be heroic for stacks on the turn anyway. I want to extract max from his no pair hands as well.

Edit: I like making oversized 3- and 4-bets preflop against these guys though, they are gonna see the flop anyway.

[microgrinder]

There is just something I'm obviously loking at wrong. If his 3bet range includes any 2 face cards, surely the K is well within his range, despite the fact he likes to shove on scare cards. I am aware he didnt make a 3bet and only called one, but surely the 2 aren't that different. I'd have to fold the turn. Any logic to this?

Folding is a big mistake here. We pretty much flopped the nuts here and we have committed well over 1/2 of our stack on flop. I really don't think a king makes up much of his range it only really sucks if he has the Kd.

I was going to say std shove on flop, but vs. this guy the line taken might actually be better. I dunno, its probably pretty much a wash. As long as we're not folding I don't think we can go wrong here.

[Fnord]

Against "crazy gamblers" as a rule I take stuff like the 3x rule and pot sizing bets and throw it all in the urinal then piss all over it while I charge them absurd prices to gamble with me. Then laugh all the way to the bank when they pay off.

[thizzSantaCruz]

Against "crazy gamblers" as a rule I take stuff like the 3x rule and pot sizing bets and throw it all in the urinal then piss all over it while I charge them absurd prices to gamble with me. Then laugh all the way to the bank when they pay off.

fucking halarious

[Kits]

Against "crazy gamblers" as a rule I take stuff like the 3x rule and pot sizing bets and throw it all in the urinal then piss all over it while I charge them absurd prices to gamble with me. Then laugh all the way to the bank when they pay off.

I actually think this is spot on. I'm just pissed I didn't adjust to take this exact approach. It was awesome to watch him stack three people and then get stacked three times in such a short timeframe. Unfortunately he left before I could get me some. Thanks for all your input.