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c/min raised after cbet, TPGK???

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  1. #1

    Default c/min raised after cbet, TPGK???

    PokerStars Game #14757626661: Tournament #74809303, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/01/22 - 23:57:51 (ET)
    Table '74809303 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: admiralone (1150 in chips)
    Seat 2: rotenronnie (1580 in chips)
    Seat 3: Tyemeeup (855 in chips)
    Seat 4: 24crossfire (1450 in chips)
    Seat 5: JETER_LIKE (1365 in chips)
    Seat 6: spookyspooky (1600 in chips)
    Seat 7: grizzlyoldf (1470 in chips)
    Seat 8: Nate4300 (2530 in chips)
    Seat 9: snowboard_31 (1500 in chips)
    24crossfire: posts small blind 15
    JETER_LIKE: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to snowboard_31 [Kh Qd]
    spookyspooky: folds
    grizzlyoldf: calls 30
    Nate4300: folds
    snowboard_31: raises 90 to 120
    admiralone: folds
    rotenronnie: folds
    Tyemeeup: folds
    24crossfire: folds
    JETER_LIKE: folds
    grizzlyoldf: calls 90
    *** FLOP *** [3d Kc 8s]
    grizzlyoldf: checks
    snowboard_31: bets 180
    grizzlyoldf: raises 180 to 360
    snowboard_31: ........

    Very early on no reads
    1. Get a seat to their right
    2. Steal blinds at will
    3. ...
    4. Profit
    "It should be a crime to not bet if someone has checked to you twice."
    -soupie
    "If you can pinpoint a player's range, you can own his soul."
    -Bond18
  2. #2
    Fold preflop.
    KQ is not good enough to play from MP early, because of reverse implied odds.
    As played I would get it in, since he could have a lower King or pair more often than a better hand (AK/2pair/set)
    I am just another learning player, so read my comments (very) open minded.
  3. #3
    I would come over the top

    I often use a minraise to pick up c-bets with air, in this case he needs very little to reraise you, even min pair or top pair with worse kicker will do it, a set will usually slowplay here and 2 pair is unlikely with the board texture


  4. #4
    I agree with mattiesmat, fold preflop, you are in too early position to play this.

    As played, agree with the others, all-in. Although it can sometimes be a monster hand, this kind of minraise is often opp attempting to pick off your c-bet as cheaply as possible.
  5. #5
    At this level I'd shove over and expect to get called by any king.

    At higher levels (20+) I think shoving is marginal/bad. With no straight or flush draws you don't need to protect your hand. Assuming villian is decent they might call with KJ. Otherwise your in trouble. If it is an attempt to pick off a cbet, they probably have 2-6 outs or need runner runner. Call and see if they donk off their stack on the turn
  6. #6
    yah im not a fan of KQo or even KQs this early of position either (its an 80% fold 20% raise for me), but the first few orbits had shown my table to be farily nitty, with very few showdowns and most pots uncontested preflop.

    My first thoughts were the same as TLR that the c/r meant more weakness than strength to the cbet as any large hand would rather wait until the turn so as to maximize value.

    In the end I pushed over and got insta called by a set of eights. I thought the hand was either fairly weird or extreme spew by me which is why i posted.
    1. Get a seat to their right
    2. Steal blinds at will
    3. ...
    4. Profit
    "It should be a crime to not bet if someone has checked to you twice."
    -soupie
    "If you can pinpoint a player's range, you can own his soul."
    -Bond18

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