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  1. #1

    Default Marginal Turn Spot

    Villain is fishy (46/15) and I’ve been beating up on him, which makes this a little tougher.

    I haven’t seen him get really out of line postflop, but he’s def stationy.

    FWIW, he took a pretty long time before checking the flop to me and I'm pretty sure he isn't multitabling. So either he went to get a beer, or he was unsure as to what to do.

    I’m curious about everything on the turn, esp bet size if you like a bet :

    Seat 1: birwin777 ( $539.62 USD )
    Seat 5: sharppedge ( $459.60 USD )
    Seat 2: HERO ( $667.30 USD )
    Seat 4: xBORMANx ( $88.60 USD )
    Seat 3: tokenblak ( $394 USD )
    Seat 6: DMETLA ( $162 USD )
    sharppedge posts small blind [$2 USD].
    DMETLA posts big blind [$4 USD].

    ** Dealing down cards **

    Dealt to HERO
    birwin777 calls [$4 USD]
    HERO raises [$18 USD]
    tokenblak folds.
    xBORMANx folds.
    sharppedge folds.
    DMETLA folds.
    birwin777 calls [$14 USD]

    ** Dealing Flop **

    birwin777 checks.
    HERO bets [$32 USD]
    birwin777 calls [$32 USD]

    ** Dealing Turn **

    birwin777 checks.
    HERO bets [$55 USD]
    birwin777 raises [$110 USD]
    HERO…
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    it doesnt really seem like you are beating anything there...
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    standard is to fold obviously. i think you need a better read before you can considering doing anything else.
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    def dont fold

    he raise 15% of hands which means he likely raises KQ preflop
    on such a drawy board he may raise sets on the flop

    he can often be making a free showdown play with any decent queen or Kxs or even mid PPs depending on his perception of you

    you are getting incredible pot odds and r in pos

    so Id call here and fold to any bet bigger than half pot on any river except a 3, 7, K, A.
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    how bad is a raise for protection
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauce123
    def dont fold

    he raise 15% of hands which means he likely raises KQ preflop
    on such a drawy board he may raise sets on the flop

    he can often be making a free showdown play with any decent queen or Kxs or even mid PPs depending on his perception of you

    you are getting incredible pot odds and r in pos

    so Id call here and fold to any bet bigger than half pot on any river except a 3, 7, K, A.

    This makes sense.
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  7. #7
    sauce's post makes sense to me to..except i doubt his min-raise is a showdown play being oop on this board.
    so i think either fold (maybe i do this too much), or call him down. fwiw i remember stuff like 66, 65, overcards, etc shown to me in a few similar spots.
  8. #8
    I don't know, with that stats I wouldn't even count out K7 or K3.

    Putting villain on KQ alone is quite hard, and villain c/c this flop and checking turn again with a set is hard to believe as well.

    People do weird things though, so in position with this odds and this villain, I think I call.

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