Operation Quicksand

[bode]

so, ive decided to follow suit and create a little operation/blog/quest so i can get my shit together.

a little background on me:

i started playing, and consequently found FTR at the same time back in April and did the usual noob thing and deposited $50 three different times before i even scratched together what i could consider a BR. I ran the last $50 deposit up to about $200 playing low stakes MTT's and SnG's. At this point, i was playing $5 Sng's and MTT's with the occaisional $3-5 rebuy. In June i got 5th in the $5 R+A on stars for a cool $1700. I wasnt ready for this, and after squandering $400 or so of my winnings, i decided to cash out $1000 to put towards a downpayment on our house, and to force myself to play smaller stakes.

After this I had about a $500 roll, and decided to try out ring games. I played $25nl FR on stars and broke completely even over about 15k hands. i then went back to sng's, ran it up to $800, back down to $400, rinse/repeat.

At the start of November i moved my remaining $450 over to Full Tilt to take advantage of the 100% sign up bonus, and everything has gone downhill since. I played SnG's, MTT's out of my roll, ran about -5ptbb/100 at $25nl 6max, and as of Jan 1, 2007, I have exactly $200 in my BR.

I moved this money onto Stars yesterday for the reload bonus (although I only get $50), and thus begins my 6max joy ride. I will be grinding $10nl 6max, and my goal is to be rolled for $25nl by the end of february after putting in about 25k hands.

[bode]

one thing i havent been good about since i started reading/posting here at FTR is posting enough hands. i suck at picking out what hands to post, and it usually ends up being a KK hand where im up against AA.

I really want to take 6max ring games seriously and learn to beat it long term. I need some suggestions from you guys to let me know what type of hands i should post to get the best/most constructive feedback. I started a new database in PO today, and will post stats at 5k and 10k hands to see if im on the right track.

[silu73]

Your BR, poker life, goals & aspirations are similar to mine. Like you Full Tilt has been a graveyard for me. I am (now) a break-even player at $25NL 6-max but pawn the $10NL 6-max. I am grinding up my profits for several hours and just then to loose it all to a fellow big stack when I got the money in with the best hand (I should just fold my AA to flush chasers).

Good luck to you sir!

P.S. I will be grinding out the Stars bonus playing $25NL 6-max so hopefully (despite the time difference) see you at the tables. And hopefully you are not one of the 10-18 VPIP% players on the 6-max tables on Stars

[thnwkd]

so, ive decided to follow suit and create a little operation/blog/quest so i can get my shit together.

a little background on me:

i started playing, and consequently found FTR at the same time back in April and did the usual noob thing and deposited $50 three different times before i even scratched together what i could consider a BR. I ran the last $50 deposit up to about $200 playing low stakes MTT's and SnG's. At this point, i was playing $5 Sng's and MTT's with the occaisional $3-5 rebuy. In June i got 5th in the $5 R+A on stars for a cool $1700. I wasnt ready for this, and after squandering $400 or so of my winnings, i decided to cash out $1000 to put towards a downpayment on our house, and to force myself to play smaller stakes.

After this I had about a $500 roll, and decided to try out ring games. I played $25nl FR on stars and broke completely even over about 15k hands. i then went back to sng's, ran it up to $800, back down to $400, rinse/repeat.

At the start of November i moved my remaining $450 over to Full Tilt to take advantage of the 100% sign up bonus, and everything has gone downhill since. I played SnG's, MTT's out of my roll, ran about -5ptbb/100 at $25nl 6max, and as of Jan 1, 2007, I have exactly $200 in my BR.

I moved this money onto Stars yesterday for the reload bonus (although I only get $50), and thus begins my 6max joy ride.

firstly gl on your joyride.
If you get a 50.00 bonus then you only deposited 200.00, bonus is 25% right? if so then you are starting off under-rolled... not good. also, don't take this the wrong way, but if you only break even @ 25nl FR then its gonna be hard to beat 6max.

[bode]

$10nl

1st session of the new year after taking a 10 day break, and im off to a solid start. I watched ElipseJeff's videos from his blog and felt like i picked up a few good points about position and not building big pots OOP or with weak TPTK/small overpairs.

I played one session of 400 hands tonight and ran insanely hot. 63ptBB/100 for a little over 5 buyins.

i was only up about $20 or so untill this guy i thought was pretty solid started tilting like whoa.

this is the first time ive ever really been able to take advantage of a tilter like this.



hand 1: after playing on the same table for about an hour he was playing solid. I had 3 bet him a few times in the last orbit and this hand comes up.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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CO ($14.15)
Button ($7.10)
SB ($11.65)
Bode-ist ($17.55)
UTG ($9.25)
MP ($11.15)

Preflop: Bode-ist is BB with A, A.
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.5, CO raises to $1.5, Button calls $1.50, 1 fold, Bode-ist raises to $6.8, UTG folds, MP folds, CO raises to $14.15, Button folds, Bode-ist calls $7.35.

Flop: ($30.45) 5, 2, 9 (2 players)

Turn: ($30.45) 2 (2 players)

River: ($30.45) T (2 players)

Final Pot: $30.45

Bode-ist has Ad Ac (two pair, aces and twos).
CO has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: Bode-ist wins $30.45.



Hand 2: he reloads for only $2 and starts pushing every hand. He double up a couple times.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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BB ($8)
UTG ($7.30)
MP ($11.45)
Bode-ist ($32.65)
SB ($6.90)

Preflop: Bode-ist is Button with K, A.
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Bode-ist raises to $0.5, 1 fold, BB raises to $8, UTG folds, Bode-ist calls $7.50.

Flop: ($16.15) T, 9, Q (2 players)

Turn: ($16.15) 7 (2 players)

River: ($16.15) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: $16.15


BB has Kd Th (one pair, tens).
Bode-ist has Ks Ac (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins $16.15.


so i lost, but i got it in way ahead.

Hand 3: this next hand is what is bugging me still. I know AQ is still way ahead of his range here, but if i lose this flip, im back down to my original buy in. I called this after thinking about all the times i hear all of you cash game players say that you need to exploit even the smallest of edges.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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SB ($15.35)
BB ($7.20)
UTG ($11.45)
Bode-ist ($24.65)
Button ($6.85)

Preflop: Bode-ist is MP with Q, A.
1 fold, Bode-ist raises to $0.5, 1 fold, SB raises to $15.35, 1 fold, Bode-ist calls $14.85.

Flop: ($30.80) 8, T, 6 (2 players)

Turn: ($30.80) 5 (2 players)

River: ($30.80) A (2 players)

Final Pot: $30.80


SB has 6s 7h (one pair, sixes).
Bode-ist has Qc As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Bode-ist wins $30.80.



Hand 4: He doubles up one more time off me before i put the nail in the cofin. Thank you, come again.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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UTG ($3.95)
Button ($11.35)
Bode-ist ($36.60)
BB ($6.85)

Preflop: Bode-ist is SB with A, A.
UTG raises to $3.95, 1 fold, Bode-ist raises to $7.8, BB calls $6.75 (All-In).

Flop: ($18.60) 6, 3, 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($18.60) 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($18.60) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $18.60


BB has Th Tc (one pair, tens).
UTG has Jd Qc (high card, queen).
Bode-ist has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Bode-ist wins $18.60.

[bode]

firstly gl on your joyride.
If you get a 50.00 bonus then you only deposited 200.00, bonus is 25% right? if so then you are starting off under-rolled... not good. also, don't take this the wrong way, but if you only break even @ 25nl FR then its gonna be hard to beat 6max.

sorry, i update the first post. Im playing $10nl with 20 buy ins.

[bode]

also, thanks to lukie for the nice startout bonus after i was the 2000th poster in his incredibly awesome thread of amazingness.


Hello Bode-ist,

We have transferred $20.00 to your account as requested by 'Lukieplaya'.

Good luck to you both.


Regards,

PokerStars Cashier

[bode]

And hopefully you are not one of the 10-18 VPIP% players on the 6-max tables on Stars

im close. although its only 400 hands, i ran at 19.3/13.1/2.5

this is tighter that what i was running when i was losing on FT (26/19 ish), and i felt much more comfortable playing tonight.

[swiggidy]

Hey bode-ist good luck. FullTilt was also killing me. I'm going back after I clear this stars bonus cuz I with the bonus and rakeback I was breaking even, it was just really painful.

I started off posting big-pot hands, those are really the most critical decisions. Next round I posted decisions on the turn. Then I tried to post river decisions that were harder because I checked the turn. You'll find a natural progression after you get going.

Hand 3 is pretty easy with your read. The more crappy hands you see shorties push with the easier it becomes (even though he isn't that short anymore). nh sir

You can't worry about being up or down for the session. I know you still will, but that feeling will fade soon. Cash feels a lot more like one big long game.

Starting tight is fine. You will loosen up as you get comfortable and read the mid-high stakes posts by others.

[freechus9]

Just keep reading, keep reading, keep reading. Also post ALL the hands you are not 100% certain on how to play correctly. I know it might be embarrassing to post hands that seem trivial (it was for me), but honestly the only way you will learn is if you have people tell you exactly what you're doing wrong. Post post post everything. If people don't respond, post post post again.

Also, AIM is a fantastic way to meet people as well as quick access to hand criticisms. Drop me a line anytime if you use AIM.

And play hands all the time. I don't think you'll learn quickly nor have the motivation to continue learning if you don't put hours and hours into play. Couple hundred a day won't cut it.

[bode]

And play hands all the time. I don't think you'll learn quickly nor have the motivation to continue learning if you don't put hours and hours into play. Couple hundred a day won't cut it.

my schedule ususally allows me to play between 800-1000 hands a night, 3 nights a week. Last night i put in a couple hours on Need for Speed Carbon, so i didnt get in as many hands.

[Da GOAT]

good luck bode!!! ill keep an eye on how your doing too.

[biondino]

I had AQs once in an identical situation versus an uber-maniac who I had just stacked to take both our hands to 200 BBs (this was at £50NL 6max. He open pushed - for about the 7th time in the last ten hands - AND I FOLDED.

He was called by a shortie with A7, and showed T9. The flop, to rub it in, was QQx. My cowardice lost me £105, which would have been easily the biggest pot I ever raked.

[bode]

I had AQs once in an identical situation versus an uber-maniac who I had just stacked to take both our hands to 200 BBs (this was at £50NL 6max. He open pushed - for about the 7th time in the last ten hands - AND I FOLDED.

He was called by a shortie with A7, and showed T9. The flop, to rub it in, was QQx. My cowardice lost me £105, which would have been easily the biggest pot I ever raked.

you dont know how close i was to folding. i just remembered all the discussions about pushing small edges in cash games.

[bode]

off work today, so ill be putting in a good amount of hands.

1st session this morning i thought i played well. ran 8BB/100 over 500ish hands. i built my stack on all 4 tables to around 150bb's then lost a 100bb's on 1 table with AA vs a flopped flush. I made it back a few hands later with QQ>AJs on a rag double suited flop.

This is the only tough decision i had to make all session. this guy had really nitty stats (13/5/2), but i saw him open raise anywhere from 10xBB to 30xBB from all positions. really screwed up style. anyway, is this alright? he had 15x behind for set implied odds, but i dont know if a river call is right or not.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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Bode-ist ($9.85)
BB ($2.70)
UTG ($16.40)
MP ($9.45)
Button ($6.35)

Preflop: Bode-ist is SB with 7, 7.
UTG raises to $1.1, 2 folds, Bode-ist calls $1.05, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.30) K, 2, K (2 players)
Bode-ist checks, UTG checks.

Turn: ($2.30) 8 (2 players)
Bode-ist bets $1.5, UTG calls $1.50.

River: ($5.30) 4 (2 players)
Bode-ist checks, UTG bets $2.5, Bode-ist calls $2.50?

[jyms]

Good luck, I hope full tilt is nicer to me. I just bailed out of Crypto to play full tilts $10nL FR tables. I need to rebuild myself. I have had my roll desimated by the $25NL 6max beast. I guess we have to do this together. GL, I'll be watching

[biondino]

I think you fold the 77 hand. I am torn, slightly, because it's $10NL, but... he called your turn bet with the only draw being the two spades, and his river bet looks like a value bet (though it could be a weak bluff). I think with 3rd pair here you're almost never good - only a lower PP or a bluff gives you a chance, and his enormous PF raise indicates he has something better than that.

If this was $50NL then his line could be a bluff or a whiffed flush draw; at $10, I think this is unlikely. If you want to play the river, make a blocking bet maybe? He'll fold if he's drawing and is only raising with a hand to which you can safely fold.

[bode]

Good luck, I hope full tilt is nicer to me. I just bailed out of Crypto to play full tilts $10nL FR tables. I need to rebuild myself. I have had my roll desimated by the $25NL 6max beast. I guess we have to do this together. GL, I'll be watching

i just read your new post in your operation thread. keep your head together, focus on each play, and you will be back in no time.

[bode]

second session of the day netted another buyin. BR now at $288.

a few hands from the last session.

hand 1: villain is 80/40 over only 10 hands, but he has played like a complete fish until now. Im pretty sure im ahead here, and i have a gutshot draw. is this a call?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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UTG ($7.45)
MP ($16.50)
Hero ($14.45)
SB ($1.95)
BB ($5.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.6, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.50, MP folds.

Flop: ($1.45) T, J, 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $6.85 (All-In), Hero ???



hand 2: should i even bet out the river? is this just a standard c/f? its seems like everytime i dont do this villains check behind and i lose value.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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MP ($6.80)
CO ($2)
Button ($8.60)
SB ($19.85)
Hero ($10)
UTG ($18.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q.
UTG raises to $0.2, MP calls $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10.

Flop: ($1) Q, 2, 4 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.7, UTG folds, MP calls $0.70, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($2.40) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, MP calls $1.50.

River: ($5.40) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP raises to $4.4, Hero folds.



hand 3: ive been working on not completing the SB as much because its is such horrible position. This is one of the few hands i completed today.

villain is 72/16 over only 25 hands at the time. he had 2 buyins when i sat down and has lagged it up and made another since. thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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MP ($37.10)
Button ($9.85)
Hero ($10.10)
BB ($32.80)
UTG ($2.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, Q.
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.40) 5, J, 5 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.3, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $0.30.

Turn: ($1) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.7, MP raises to $1.4, Hero calls $0.70.

River: ($3.80) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP calls $2.

Final Pot: $7.80

Results in white below:
Hero has Jc Qd (full house, fives full of jacks).
MP has 4h 9h (full house, fives full of nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $7.80.

[kmind]

anyway, is this alright? he had 15x behind for set implied odds, but i dont know if a river call is right or not.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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Bode-ist ($9.85)
BB ($2.70)
UTG ($16.40)
MP ($9.45)
Button ($6.35)

Preflop: Bode-ist is SB with 7, 7.
UTG raises to $1.1, 2 folds, Bode-ist calls $1.05, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.30) K, 2, K (2 players)
Bode-ist checks, UTG checks.

Turn: ($2.30) 8 (2 players)
Bode-ist bets $1.5, UTG calls $1.50.

River: ($5.30) 4 (2 players)
Bode-ist checks, UTG bets $2.5, Bode-ist calls $2.50?

If you were strictly playing for a set's implied odds, you have to look at your stack size too which is under 10x (if you go by the 10x rule), right?

[bode]

anyway, is this alright? he had 15x behind for set implied odds, but i dont know if a river call is right or not.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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Bode-ist ($9.85)
BB ($2.70)
UTG ($16.40)
MP ($9.45)
Button ($6.35)

Preflop: Bode-ist is SB with 7, 7.
UTG raises to $1.1, 2 folds, Bode-ist calls $1.05, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.30) K, 2, K (2 players)
Bode-ist checks, UTG checks.

Turn: ($2.30) 8 (2 players)
Bode-ist bets $1.5, UTG calls $1.50.

River: ($5.30) 4 (2 players)
Bode-ist checks, UTG bets $2.5, Bode-ist calls $2.50?

If you were strictly playing for a set's implied odds, you have to look at your stack size too which is under 10x (if you go by the 10x rule), right?

you are right. this is something i always forget to look at. I normally look for 13-15x the raise for implied odds since your not always going to stack someone when you hit, but far too many times i fail to take my stack size into consideration.

as for this hand, even though i didnt have 15x, i had over 8x and i was 90%+ sure that i would stack this villain if i hit.

[bode]

villain is 77/11/2 through 9 hands. should i fold to the 4-bet? should i push over the 4-bet? i think the flop push is standard with TPTK and the nut flush draw but preflop is shaky.

any comments would be appreciated.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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Hero ($10.60)
Button ($9.40)
SB ($3.70)
BB ($9.40)
UTG ($5.85)
MP ($17.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.3, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.15) 8, Q, A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $7.6 (All-In), MP calls $7.60.

Turn: ($21.35) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21.35) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $21.35

Results in white below:
MP has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has Kc Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP wins $21.35.

[bode]

variance finally caught up to me. i ran about 20BB/100 over the first 2k hands, then this beaut came up.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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UTG ($3.65)
MP ($3.75)
CO ($6.75)
Hero ($10.55)
SB ($10.55)
BB ($20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 6.
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) 3, 9, 7 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.4, SB calls $0.40, BB folds, UTG folds, MP folds.

Turn: ($1.30) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1.30) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $0.7, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $4.9, Hero raises to $10.05, SB calls $5.15 (All-In).

Final Pot: $21.40

Results in white below:
SB has 7c 7s (four of a kind, sevens).
Hero has 6h 6d (full house, sixes full of sevens).
Outcome: SB wins $21.40.

[bode]

i played just over 2k hands today and only made 1/2 a buyin. through 2.5k hands im running 11.2BB/100 and feel like im playing solid. I should be able to put in another 2.5k hands by the weekend so hopefully i can post an early stat check.

Id like to get some feedback on whether im heading down the right track. any feedback on the hands above would be appreciated too. i know theres like 100 of the operation threads now, but any critiques i can get will only help.

[silu73]

villain is 77/11/2 through 9 hands. should i fold to the 4-bet? should i push over the 4-bet? i think the flop push is standard with TPTK and the nut flush draw but preflop is shaky.

any comments would be appreciated.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($10.60)
Button ($9.40)
SB ($3.70)
BB ($9.40)
UTG ($5.85)
MP ($17.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.3, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.15) 8, Q, A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $7.6 (All-In), MP calls $7.60.

Turn: ($21.35) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21.35) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $21.35

Results in white below:
MP has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has Kc Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP wins $21.35.

Here I would push 70% and bet $3 on the flop 30% of the time. Either way I would have pushed/called the turn and lost my stack as well. It happens.

[bode]

villain is 77/11/2 through 9 hands. should i fold to the 4-bet? should i push over the 4-bet? i think the flop push is standard with TPTK and the nut flush draw but preflop is shaky.

any comments would be appreciated.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($10.60)
Button ($9.40)
SB ($3.70)
BB ($9.40)
UTG ($5.85)
MP ($17.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.3, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.15) 8, Q, A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $7.6 (All-In), MP calls $7.60.

Turn: ($21.35) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21.35) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $21.35

Results in white below:
MP has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has Kc Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP wins $21.35.

Here I would push 70% and bet $3 on the flop 30% of the time. Either way I would have pushed/called the turn and lost my stack as well. It happens.

this was a weird hand for me. i think looking back on it i could have folded to the 4-bet preflop. villains laggy stats dont mean anything after so few hands, so i wasnt reading much into those. what type of range does *anyone* 4bet in $10nl? not very wide if you ask me.

ignoring the marginally bad call preflop, the flop was where i was confused. obv his 4bet is repping QQ+, so where do i stand.

pokerstove says:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

6,930 games 0.015 secs 462,000 games/sec

Board: 8c Qc As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.550% 58.35% 00.19% 4044 13.50 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 41.450% 41.26% 00.19% 2859 13.50 { QQ+ }

is this range too tight? i dont know, maybe. i guess looking at these numbers this is a standard play.

[biondino]

The key in the last hand is his check on the flop. This is almost ALWAYS a bluff after a re-raise, so you have to think to yourself what could you possibly be ahead of? AA beats you, JJ/KK doesn't bluff, QQ beats you, AK ties, AQ beats you. Only if the villain is weak enough to check/fold JJ or KK do you have a hope here.

I wouldn't value/block bet on this flop, either, because I am near enough sure he'll re-raise me all-in. I'd check behind - and be grateful for being allowed to - and hope for a club because at this point I am not at all confident there's anything I beat.

[bode]

The key in the last hand is his check on the flop. This is almost ALWAYS a bluff after a re-raise, so you have to think to yourself what could you possibly be ahead of? AA beats you, JJ/KK doesn't bluff, QQ beats you, AK ties, AQ beats you. Only if the villain is weak enough to check/fold JJ or KK do you have a hope here.

I wouldn't value/block bet on this flop, either, because I am near enough sure he'll re-raise me all-in. I'd check behind - and be grateful for being allowed to - and hope for a club because at this point I am not at all confident there's anything I beat.

what about pokerstove saying im a favorite on the flop even against AA! am i using it wrong, or what?

[biondino]

Favourite against AA? I'm not sure how that can be. You have 18 outs to a flush and let's say 1 out to a straight, and AA has 15 outs to a boat. However, these outs crossover very little (only runner runner, say, 3s, one of which is a club), so basically all your outs are good. So you're roughly 34% favourite against aces. Aren't you?

(edit - I don't have pokerstove on my work pc but twodimes.net says you are only 29% vs AA)

[bode]

played a short ~150 hand session over lunch today and ran like shit (down 1 1/2 buyins). Got my money in full stacked with TPTK +FD on the flop vs a set and didnt improve. Lost alot of small pots. Nothing too exciting.

I hope to put in a ~1000 hand session tonight. Ill post a couple of hands afterwards.

[zenbitz]

as for this hand, even though i didnt have 15x, i had over 8x and i was 90%+ sure that i would stack this villain if i hit.

You are not counting set-over-sets. I'm not sure I call a 10xBB raise with 77 OOP.

[bode]

i put in an 800 hand session tonight and made ~1/2 a buyin. This was after being down over 2 1/2 buyins after 100 hands though, so i felt good that i buckled down and made my money back.

one thing i still havent figured out is if i should be raising over limpers in position with hands like mid PP's/AJ/KQ/etc? What about the SB? should i be repoping limpers with these hands?

anyway, here are my hands for the night that i would like some imput on.


hand 1: villain is 20/12/3.5 through 90 hands. Should i reraise this at any point? I usually reraise AQ preflop, but since villain seemed decent and it was an UTG raise, i thought i would just call. I felt like i was calling down with the best hand, but the smallish raise on the river confused me.


PokerStars Game #7768908638: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/01/04 - 21:21:50 (ET)
Table 'Teucer V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Bode-ist ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Michal88 ($4.85 in chips)
Seat 4: grrouchie ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Dustangel ($9.90 in chips)
Michal88: posts small blind $0.05
grrouchie: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Qh Ad]
Dustangel: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Bode-ist: calls $0.40
Michal88: folds
grrouchie: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 6c Kh]
Dustangel: bets $0.65
Bode-ist: calls $0.65
*** TURN *** [Qc 6c Kh] [Td]
Dustangel: bets $1
Bode-ist: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [Qc 6c Kh Td] [9h]
Dustangel: bets $1.50
aaa52171 joins the table at seat #2
Bode-ist: ???


hand 2: This is another question about calling OOP. Is this just a standard fold?


PokerStars Game #7769209644: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/01/04 - 21:38:14 (ET)
Table 'Acamas III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Bode-ist ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 2: pkrbrbill ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 3: artpi ($6.05 in chips)
Seat 4: texas bob ($21.95 in chips)
Seat 5: PeaceDeath ($11 in chips)
Seat 6: bulja ($12.05 in chips)
bulja: posts small blind $0.05
Bode-ist: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Qc Kc]
pkrbrbill: folds
artpi: calls $0.10
texas bob: folds
pkrbrbill said, "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
PeaceDeath: raises $0.40 to $0.50
bulja: folds
Bode-ist: calls $0.40


hand 3: This is kinda my "wild hair" play of the night. My image is pretty tight so i felt like this was a good play. thoughts?


PokerStars Game #7769861725: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/01/04 - 22:13:56 (ET)
Table 'Acamas III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Bode-ist ($11.10 in chips)
Seat 2: cons34 ($7.70 in chips)
Seat 3: SeanBamBam ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 4: texas bob ($20.95 in chips)
Seat 5: PeaceDeath ($8 in chips)
Seat 6: bulja ($23.30 in chips)
PeaceDeath: posts small blind $0.05
bulja: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Kc As]
Bode-ist: raises $0.30 to $0.40
cons34: calls $0.40
SeanBamBam has timed out
SeanBamBam: folds
SeanBamBam is sitting out
texas bob: folds
SeanBamBam has returned
PeaceDeath: raises $1.10 to $1.50
bulja: folds
Bode-ist: raises $9.60 to $11.10 and is all-in

[bode]

Favourite against AA? I'm not sure how that can be. You have 18 outs to a flush and let's say 1 out to a straight, and AA has 15 outs to a boat. However, these outs crossover very little (only runner runner, say, 3s, one of which is a club), so basically all your outs are good. So you're roughly 34% favourite against aces. Aren't you?

(edit - I don't have pokerstove on my work pc but twodimes.net says you are only 29% vs AA)

the numbers from pokerstove with AcKc vs QQ+ are right, so i was ahead of the range i put him on, but the numbers i stated vs only AA were obviously off.

Board: 8c Qc As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.091% 29.09% 00.00% 288 0.00 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 70.909% 70.91% 00.00% 702 0.00 { AA }


oops!!

[silu73]

In position I raise a wide range of hands with limpers before me. I play very tight in the blinds and do not raise many hands with limpers in front of me. I also don't like calling raises with easily dominated hands like KQs (as in Hand 2). I only re-raise from the blinds with 99-AA, AK, AKs, AQs.

Hand 1. I understand your reasoning but you only know if you are ahead by re-raising, even if it comes from a tight player UTG. As played I would raise his river bet. If he is tight he might be scared of ou holding a lone J

Hand 2. Against a serial limper I might raise this. Against a solid player I would just fold. I rather call with 75s than KQs in this spot.

Hand 3. I don't like pushing AK here. You only get called by hands that beat you. I prefer calling in position and play this hand postflop. But then against some opponents this might be best line.

[bode]

Hand 2. Against a serial limper I might raise this. Against a solid player I would just fold. I rather call with 75s than KQs in this spot.

i need to get this through my head. im still overvalueing these type hands. they are good when you are the open raiser, but not good for calling raises. My biggest problem with that is i still justify the fact that im playing $10nl and people raise A7o just as much as AQs here.

Hand 3. I don't like pushing AK here. You only get called by hands that beat you. I prefer calling in position and play this hand postflop. But then against some opponents this might be best line.

i have seen people advocate getting it all in PF with AK. i dont rememver where, but i would definitly like to have some more imput on this.

this is something that i will definitly have to revisit as i move up in stakes. players are so willing to get it in preflop with hands like AJ/A9s/etc at this level, so i think it will make money here.

[jyms]

All right, you threw down the gauntlet.
The throw down <- linky

What's the stakes. I'm up for anything. I need a motivation, a reason to keep coming back to poker. In my thread I told you my roll. Do you want any limitations, i.e: Rakeback, bonuses, tourneys, S&G's. I may need to move my roll. We are very close in $$ but I don't think a race to $500 isn't good enough. We both have some decent experience, and could literally be at $500 tomorrow with a decent run of cards. How about, a race to $50NL. $1K. It'll give us time to compare notes, have a little time and not feel rushed. For $50, 1 buy in at the new stakes. And to make it reasonable. Payable when the loser has $500 (this is negotiable, I just plan on losing so I'm making contingency's). Neither of us want's to be sitting at $450 and about to get the magic 20 buy ins and have to pay a bet out of the roll. Transferable on stars. When you can have a $1K BR.

her's the thread I started.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...=450935#450935

[bode]

alright. $50 prop bet to whoever gets to a $1000 BR first.

[bode]

this shit is getting old. obv i wouldnt usually get in AI PF with JJ, but villain i have some history where he likes to play back at me with trash. i caught him on it twice 2 days ago. i should have again here.



PokerStars Game #7777501278: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/01/05 - 12:11:19 (ET)
Table 'Thuban' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: WeeeeezyF ($15.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Bode-ist ($13.85 in chips)
WeeeeezyF: posts small blind $0.05
Bode-ist: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Jd Js]
WeeeeezyF: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Bode-ist: raises $0.60 to $1
WeeeeezyF: raises $4 to $5
Bode-ist: raises $8.85 to $13.85 and is all-in
WeeeeezyF: calls $8.85
*** FLOP *** [7d 4c Ac]
*** TURN *** [7d 4c Ac] [Tc]
Bode-ist said, "nh"
*** RIVER *** [7d 4c Ac Tc] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bode-ist: shows [Jd Js] (a pair of Jacks)
WeeeeezyF: shows [8c Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
WeeeeezyF collected $26.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $27.70 | Rake $1
Board [7d 4c Ac Tc 5s]
Seat 3: WeeeeezyF (button) (small blind) showed [8c Jc] and won ($26.70) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: Bode-ist (big blind) showed [Jd Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks

[jyms]

Bode, You said you played at lunch? What do you do during the days. Are you able to play more at night or day time. Come to vent later in the evenings, or the FTR chat room. I usually hit the tables at around 8 PM EST till midnight or so.

[bode]

Bode, You said you played at lunch? What do you do during the days. Are you able to play more at night or day time. Come to vent later in the evenings, or the FTR chat room. I usually hit the tables at around 8 PM EST till midnight or so.

sometimes i get a chance to play during my lunch hour. rarely, but this week i got to twice. other than that, i usually play 3 nights a week for maybe 3 hours each, plus the random weekend time. i would say on avg. i play 10-12 hours/week.

i dont have vent, maybe ill hit up the chat room later.

[bode]

played my longest cash session to date. 2 1/2 hours and 800 hands. i know this is nothing comparatively, but im getting bettter at longer sessions.

i was up 2 1/2 buyins around the 700 hand mark, and proceeded to dump 2 of them, mostly on these 2 hands. im glad i started this thread so i can be accountable for playing like an idiot and overvalueing TPTK and small overpairs. this is still a huge leak for me.



PokerStars Game #7784839107: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/01/05 - 20:40:46 (ET)
Table 'Phemios III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Dummy#10 ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 2: direwolf113 ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Mieds ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Bode-ist ($20.65 in chips)
Seat 5: ShehzadG420 ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Rocker61 ($6.40 in chips)
ShehzadG420 said, "nice hand"
Dummy#10: posts small blind $0.05
direwolf113: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Qs Ac]
Rocker61 said, "hearts?"
Mieds: folds
Rocker61 said, "lol"
Bode-ist: raises $0.30 to $0.40
ShehzadG420 said, "was anyone talking to you?"
ShehzadG420: folds
Rocker61: folds
Dummy#10: folds
direwolf113: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [Td 5d Ah]
Rocker61 said, "yes"
direwolf113: checks
Bode-ist: bets $0.50
direwolf113: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Td 5d Ah] [Ks]
direwolf113: checks
Rocker61 said, "that other guy"
Bode-ist: bets $1.30
Rocker61 said, "heheheh"
ShehzadG420 said, "are you that bored and desperate that you have to jump into other peoples' conversations?"
direwolf113: raises $1.90 to $3.20
Rocker61 said, "uhm"
Bode-ist: calls $1.90
*** RIVER *** [Td 5d Ah Ks] [Kc]
ShehzadG420 said, "yeah uhm"
ShehzadG420 said, "keep it to yourself ***got"
direwolf113: bets $1.10
Bode-ist: calls $1.10
Rocker61 said, "are you talking to me?"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
direwolf113: shows [Qd Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Bode-ist: mucks hand
direwolf113 collected $9.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.45 | Rake $0.50
Board [Td 5d Ah Ks Kc]
Seat 1: Dummy#10 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: direwolf113 (big blind) showed [Qd Jh] and won ($9.95) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: Mieds folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Bode-ist mucked [Qs Ac]
Seat 5: ShehzadG420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Rocker61 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)




PokerStars Game #7784853337: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/01/05 - 20:41:34 (ET)
Table 'Musca II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Zipp2000 ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 2: ace_of_mokum ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 3: juschillinow ($6.90 in chips)
Seat 4: ColdNuts ($5.05 in chips)
Seat 5: SukeyTawdry ($7.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Bode-ist ($30.65 in chips)
juschillinow: posts small blind $0.05
ColdNuts: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Jh As]
SukeyTawdry: calls $0.10
Bode-ist: calls $0.10
Zipp2000: calls $0.10
ace_of_mokum: folds
juschillinow: calls $0.05
ColdNuts: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d 9s Jd]
juschillinow: checks
ColdNuts: checks
SukeyTawdry: bets $1
Bode-ist: raises $1.90 to $2.90
Zipp2000: folds
juschillinow: folds
ColdNuts: folds
SukeyTawdry: raises $4.75 to $7.65 and is all-in
Bode-ist said, "ahhh"
Bode-ist said, "tought decision"
juschillinow said, "look at your pot odds"
Bode-ist said, "too good of odds to fold"
Bode-ist: calls $4.75
*** TURN *** [3d 9s Jd] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [3d 9s Jd 6s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SukeyTawdry: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Bode-ist: mucks hand
SukeyTawdry collected $15.05 from pot
Bode-ist said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.80 | Rake $0.75
Board [3d 9s Jd 6s 5c]
Seat 1: Zipp2000 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: ace_of_mokum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: juschillinow (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: ColdNuts (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: SukeyTawdry showed [Kh Kd] and won ($15.05) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: Bode-ist mucked [Jh As]


Please, someone yell at me for doing this!!!!

[Pelion]

I need some suggestions from you guys to let me know what type of hands i should post to get the best/most constructive feedback.

Try to post a hand per hour or 2 of play. That should get you enough content hands between the AA v KK. If you face a difficult decision use the extra time button and really think about it. Any time you have to use the extra time button post the hand. Thats the way to do it.

[bode]

finished up strong tonight. overall up 5 buyins over 3 sessions tonight. i tried a couple of new things out tonight.

1st: i put in 2 of my longest cash games sessions by far. In the past i would play 1 hour sessions with 1/2 hour breaks in between. tonight i put in two 2 hour + sessions. I felt like i got in a rythym after 1/2 hour or 45 minutes and i ended up on all my tables at the end of the sessions.

2nd: I hooked up one of my old monitors and tried out 6 tabling. its not completely foreign, becuase ive 8 tables turbo sngs in the past, but it took a while to get used to again after 4 tabling for so long. Ill continue to run 6 tables and if im feeling frisky at some point this weekend i might try to add 2 more.

no real interesting hands tonight. pretty standard stuff. me making a couple bad plays, but the donks at my table more than making up for that with thier own bad plays.

edit: Another thing i have really been focusing on is what hands i take to showdown. my Won$atSD% was at 47-48% for a long time. last night i was more consious of what hands i was taking to showdown, and that number jumped all the way up to 51%. I think alot of the cause for the lower #'s was playing on some real passive tables and limped hands into my BB getting checked all the way down to the river, but i felt much better about it last night.

[bode]

ran real shitty my last session (1200 hands).
1. tilted off a stack pushing 77 into a 68T board. villain flips a T, obv. The hand previous he called my 4-bet push PF with KT vs my QQ. oh well.
2. lost a 1/2 stack to a cooler. i turned a set of 6's vs villains flopped set of Q's that he played ridiculously passive.
3. lost a 300+bb pot when i got all in on a 9Tx flop with KK vs QQ and 99. Atleast i won the $2.50 side pot

BR's at $290 now after having it up as much as $325 today. i might put in another session before bed if theres nothing good on TV.

on another note, this thread is keeping me motivated. Ive played ~8500 hands since late tuesday night, so im on my way to a 10k hand week which is by far the most ive ever played in a week.

[bode]

wow. 750 hand session to end the night and i dont know if i could have run any better. +4.3 buyins @ 30BB/100. The poker gods were smiling on me. I hit Quads with both AA and QQ and got a full stack each time. I hit a set with every PP (or so it felt like), and made 2 boats vs flushes but they were both vs ~40bb shorties.

I both love and hate the swings in poker, and especially in 6 max. (see the last 3 posts)

[bode]

i posted my first 10k hands worth of stats in a separate thread so hopefully they will get more views/replies.

[bode]

horrible session tonight but i feel lucky i didnt end up worse than i did. only down 170bb's overall. the highlights include
-1 set over set
-a nut flush cracked by a rivered boat all in on the flop
-and 2 KK vs AA's including this beauty.

PokerStars Game #7854804937: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/01/09 - 21:16:50 (ET)
Table 'Kira II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ayikr ($10.85 in chips)
Seat 2: sempe ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 3: zebigboulet ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 4: TheBowlBoy ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 5: HELTERSKELTR ($8.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Bode-ist ($15.05 in chips)
TheBowlBoy: posts small blind $0.05
HELTERSKELTR: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Kc Kh]
Bode-ist: raises $0.30 to $0.40
ayikr: folds
sempe: calls $0.40
zebigboulet: folds
TheBowlBoy: raises $1.10 to $1.50
HELTERSKELTR: calls $1.40
Bode-ist: raises $13.55 to $15.05 and is all-in
sempe: calls $6.85 and is all-in
TheBowlBoy: calls $13 and is all-in
HELTERSKELTR: calls $6.55 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Js 7s Kd]

i know im up against AA here and BOOM, i hit my K. Ship the pot!

ayikr said, "wow"
Bode-ist said, "wow"
*** TURN *** [Js 7s Kd] [9s]

wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.......

*** RIVER *** [Js 7s Kd 9s] [2s]

BOOM, HEADSHOT!!!!!!! fucking spade


*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheBowlBoy: shows [As Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
Bode-ist: mucks hand
TheBowlBoy collected $12.25 from side pot-2
HELTERSKELTR: mucks hand
TheBowlBoy collected $2.30 from side pot-1
sempe: mucks hand
TheBowlBoy collected $27.55 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44.30 Main pot $27.55. Side pot-1 $2.30. Side pot-2 $12.25. | Rake $2.20
Board [Js 7s Kd 9s 2s]
Seat 1: ayikr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sempe mucked [Ah Ac]
Seat 3: zebigboulet (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TheBowlBoy (small blind) showed [As Ad] and won ($42.10) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: HELTERSKELTR (big blind) mucked [Qd Td]
Seat 6: Bode-ist mucked [Kc Kh]

[DubRod]

Hey man, I have played alot of 6max 10NL and currently doing verry well at 25NL. Just wanted to wish you good luck and for that last hand, I hate the all in reraise.....I think I rather reraise to 4.50 and then re-evaluate the push from the Aces.

[bode]

Hey man, I have played alot of 6max 10NL and currently doing verry well at 25NL. Just wanted to wish you good luck and for that last hand, I hate the all in reraise.....I think I rather reraise to 4.50 and then re-evaluate the push from the Aces.

thanks for the encouragement.

as for the hand. I will never fold KK preflop at this level because people will push hands like QTs(as you can see from the hand)/KJ/AT/etc. the only way i would ever fold it is if the nittiest of nits 3-bet me all in.

[silu73]

Hey man, I have played alot of 6max 10NL and currently doing verry well at 25NL. Just wanted to wish you good luck and for that last hand, I hate the all in reraise.....I think I rather reraise to 4.50 and then re-evaluate the push from the Aces.

thanks for the encouragement.

as for the hand. I will never fold KK preflop at this level because people will push hands like QTs(as you can see from the hand)/KJ/AT/etc. the only way i would ever fold it is if the nittiest of nits 3-bet me all in.

Agreed. I folded KK once at $10NL 6-max when a 10/1 rock over more than 200 hands 3-betted me pre-flop OOP and we were both deep.

[DubRod]

well I didnt say you had to fold, just didnt like the raising amount. At these stakes people play all sort of junk, so yeah you shouldnt fold Kings.

[jyms]

i know im up against AA here and BOOM, i hit my K. Ship the pot!

ayikr said, "wow"
Bode-ist said, "wow"
*** TURN *** [Js 7s Kd] [9s]

wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.......

*** RIVER *** [Js 7s Kd 9s] [2s]

BOOM, HEADSHOT!!!!!!! fucking spade

Dude, your singing my poker anthem. Nice to see some fun in the thread. At some point you have to laugh.

I'm watching,

[bode]

i know im up against AA here and BOOM, i hit my K. Ship the pot!

ayikr said, "wow"
Bode-ist said, "wow"
*** TURN *** [Js 7s Kd] [9s]

wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.......

*** RIVER *** [Js 7s Kd 9s] [2s]

BOOM, HEADSHOT!!!!!!! fucking spade

Dude, your singing my poker anthem. Nice to see some fun in the thread. At some point you have to laugh.

I'm watching,

lol, i didnt notice until this morning that i was also bead by QT that called and turned a K high strait. I thought that his call with QdTd was really terrible given the action, and calling the first raise was, but after looking at it he was getting about 5:1 on his money and was ~20% to win the pot.

[bode]

meh. in the middle of a 5 buyin downswing over the last 3 days. im not playing that great right now and i havent been running that great either. would have had a solid session tonight but got set over setted for a 350bb pot, and ended up only down $3. The one thing im proud about lately is that when im running bad and making donk plays, i always seen to correct myself and make a portion of my money back.

on one good note i cleared the Stars reload bonus for $50 and am cashing out and finishing up my bonus at AP. wont get to play fri/sat, but Sunday night i should get to play alot.

[silu73]

Have you read the threads on other websites regarding Absolutes change in Bonus structure? I guess it has become nearly impossible for $25NL players to clear any decent bonus.

I'm playing well at the moment and cannot believe how often I preserve my stack despite turning the nuts but getting rivered constantly lately (now I understand why some people with tin hats call it "Riverstars"). So since starting I'm up more than 300bb running at approx 8.5BB/100 playing $10NL 6-max on Stars. Hopefully I can clear the $50 bonus over the weekend and then start to clear the Empire sign-up bonus playing $25NL.

[bode]

Have you read the threads on other websites regarding Absolutes change in Bonus structure? I guess it has become nearly impossible for $25NL players to clear any decent bonus.

i havent really seen anything on this. Link?

i have over 1/2 of the bonus cleared already so i know it takes a long time. im pretty sure a raked hand there at the low limits is one raked for a minimum of $0.50. This does take a long time @ $10, but bonus is bonus. AP has absolutely zero traffic, but there are alot of donators. I am kinda skeptical about going back because the last 2k hands i put in over there i got set over set 5 times!!

[bode]

havent played any since thursday. Im planning on putting in a huge session tonight so i can even attempt to catch up with TJ.

also, can one of the mods move this over to Poker Etc. I just noticed thats where all the other operation threads are.

[silu73]

Have you read the threads on other websites regarding Absolutes change in Bonus structure? I guess it has become nearly impossible for $25NL players to clear any decent bonus.

i havent really seen anything on this. Link?

Here ist thehttp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=3#Post8502274

My BR has hit $750 today! Will be going to try out $25NL 6-max at Empire and clear their bonus.

[bode]

My BR has hit $750 today! Will be going to try out $25NL 6-max at Empire and clear their bonus.

congrats!! Empire's bonus is a peice of cake. I really wish Party and Empire were still around because they had the softest ring games and their bonus was the easiest to clear, even at $25nl.

[bode]

Ive been taking a shot at $25nl on Absolute the last couple of days because there are so many fish. I have some bonus to clear there, but it takes forever playing $10nl because the pot has to be raked $0.50 +, meaning a 100bb pot, and i have to see the flop atleast. needless to say its like pulling teeth. So when my BR was sitting stagnant at $350, i decided to take a shot at $25nl. I put a stop loss at $30(for whatever reason) and i havent looked back yet. This is clearing my bonus much faster and im owning it over my first 1k hands there. My BR is about $420 right now so im going to continue my shot until my bonus is cleared or i drop below $375.

I have played plenty of $25nl before and just broke strait even, so i feel confident and am not just playing out of my roll on a wild hare. ....except i kinda am, but its cool.

[Lukie]

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moved from SHNL to Poker Etc., per request.

[bode]

ty lukkake

[bode]

i played my longest session ever last night at 2k hands and ~5 hours. The first 1200 hands i ran like complete shit. 1 AA, 1 KK, 2 QQ, 2 made sets, 0 flushes, etc. I had a ton of monster draws including 2 actual OESFD's and nothing hit. At this point I was stuck for about $70, only $10 away from my stop loss point @ $25nl. I took a 15 minute break and opened up 6 new tables. The next ~400 hands that ensued was the hottest ive maybe ever run. AA 4 times in the first 20 hands (3 of which held up), hit 3 or 4 sets and made back virtually all of the $70 i lost earlier. I played another 400 hands before i quit and only ended the day down $15. I did clear another $10 of bonus from AP so i only need 75 raked hands to finish my bonus then its on to Full Tilt.

on a side note, with the new closures of NT and such, i need a good way to get off of AP and on to FT. Is there anyone here that has accounts on both that would be willing to do a transfer with me? PM me if youre interested.

[jyms]

Nice comeback, I've had a few of those second sessions that make my night easier to sleep. I've also had a few where I should have just went to bed down a couple buy ins, becasue the result of a second session destroyed me. Sucks to finish down on a long session like that, when your trying to clear bonuses. I've had a few back at crypto where i've worked so many hands to clear a monthly and fiinish lower than I would have if I didn't play for the bonus. Good luck at FT, hope it's a better site for you. I left $70 in bonus on the table there, I was tilting more than playing trying to find a table I liked at the times I play. Kick their asses and get my money from them.

[bode]

Kick their asses and get my money from them.

i need a way to get my money on that site first.

[bode]

played about 1k hands tonight, 1st 500 i dropped $40 @ $25nl, then the second 500 hands i won $90 putting me up 2 buyins for the night and a cool 10ptbb/100. BR is just shy of 500, and i want to move to FTP by the end of the week, i just need someone to swap me some monies.

[bode]

i need comments on these 2 hands.

1st hand, villain had been floating alot of flop bets, so i think this is ok but im definitly not doing this much with 22.


Stage #552857710: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2007-01-22 18:59:09 (ET)
Table: EMORY AVE (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - FASTRABBIT09 ($45.35 in chips)
Seat 4 - D_VIVAS ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIMA10 ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 6 - ALABAMAJOE ($10.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - CRAIGNEBR ($7.95 in chips)
Seat 2 - BODEIST ($32 in chips)
D_VIVAS - Posts small blind $0.10
BIMA10 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BODEIST [2c 2h]
ALABAMAJOE - Folds
CRAIGNEBR - Folds
BODEIST - Raises $1 to $1
FASTRABBIT09 - Calls $1
D_VIVAS - Folds
BIMA10 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Ad Js 4d]
BODEIST - Bets $1.50
FASTRABBIT09 - Calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Ad Js 4d] [Ah]
BODEIST - Bets $3.25



2nd hand villain was donkish ~60/22. is this standard? is this feltable? should i lead out with the FD on the board?


Stage #552995518: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2007-01-22 21:13:56 (ET)
Table: NORTHVILLE RD (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - FLOPHOAR ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - JAMOS ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 3 - BODEIST ($30.55 in chips)
Seat 4 - ROYALACE9 ($10 in chips)
JAMOS - Posts small blind $0.10
BODEIST - Posts big blind $0.25
ROYALACE9 - Posts $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BODEIST [9c 9h]
ROYALACE9 - Checks
FLOPHOAR - Raises $1 to $1
JAMOS - Folds
BODEIST - Calls $0.75
ROYALACE9 - Calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [4h 3h 4c]
BODEIST - Checks
ROYALACE9 - Checks
FLOPHOAR - Bets $2.75
BODEIST - Raises $7.50 to $7.50
ROYALACE9 - Folds
FLOPHOAR - Calls $4.75
*** TURN *** [4h 3h 4c] [6s]
BODEIST - Bets $8.50
FLOPHOAR - All-In $8.40

[bode]

so, after a really terrible shot at $25nl i decided to drop back down to $10nl. I also lost the prop bet to Trainer_Jyms, so that will take a hit on the BR, but he has given me some grace period until i build up some more.

i put in 3 long sessions last night for a total of 2300+ hands. I played really well and didnt stack off a bunch with weak holdings like i was at $25nl. I made just under 6 buyins, and that was impressive connsidering the following.

dealt AA: 13 times for a total of -$36.00. Losing 3.5 buyins w/ AA is rediculous at best . i lost 6/13 and the ones i managed to win were either stealing the blinds or taking it on the flop w/ a c-bet.

dealt KK: 4 times for a net profit of ....... drumroll....... $.014

so i was proud of myself for sticking it out for a nice profit even after this debauchery.

anyways, heres the stats/graph from yesterdays sessions. My positional stats are also looking much better and this is something i will continue to focus on.

[bode]

heres my graphs for total hands at $10nl vs. $25nl. i feel like i was just gambooooling to much at $25nl.

[jyms]

Not going to pick on much, since I know shit. I would argue though, that your a little to liberal from the button. Your not only supposed to play the most hands from the button, but also make the most $$ from that same postion. If you hadn't gotten lucky with the SB winning more than it's share, you would be in a heck of a lot of trouble. Reveiw the hands your playing from the button, maybe even your range from all positions. For me, when I stopped trying to open up my game, Just because it's 6 max, things took off. Don't play hands just for the sake of being open and harder to read, they don't notice. I would change your ranges up one position. Whatever your playing UTG, switch to MP. MP hands become CO, and CO becomes button. Lose the button range all together. Try tighter for a bit. They won't be able to tell, and you won't be playing so many weaker hands from a strong position.

Also, seems there is quite a drop in hands from each position. Stay on full tables, trying to stay ahead of the blinds 3 and 4 handed force you to play mediocre hands, when you should be stacking guys with monsters when they over play their TPMK.

On another note, how is AP for $25NL? What are the table stats like. You think it's a tough site to play? Or do you think it may have been your game? I need to move again, I may deposit and try it out, the bonus is pretty and I can deposit the full $750 in, if I can play even +1BB/100 I can double up.

[bode]

the site is ok, but there isnt a very large player base. the bonus also takes an eternity to clear because you have to see the flop and have the pot raked $0.50 to get one point, with 75 points clearing $10 of bonus. overall i think its ok. there are alot more tables going at $10nl than $25, not sure about $50nl, but i would assume its not great either. anyway, the biggest reason my CO and Button stats are so bad from yesterday is because i droped 2o0bb w/ AA on the button against a rivered trip 9's. CO i also lost a big pot with at the end of the session. those stats are only over 2300 hands so they are virtually meaningless.

[biondino]

29/20 looks pretty good from the button (but maybe I'm just saying that because it's almost exactly the same as me). I don't think we should be encouraging Bode to tighten up - his game should be naturally expanding, and the more he knows the more he can explore more marginal situations with position.

The sample size here is far too small to make any judgements on his BB/100 in various positions. What's important is that the V?PFR stats look very solid - probably close to optimum for $10 (thought the hyper-aggro ballers would certainly disagree).

[bode]

@ AP $10nl, im now -5 buyins w/ AA. ive only won 17/26 times and the last 2 times ive lost 4 buyins total.

ouch.

[jyms]

Bode, when i read your posts and questions, your game and understandings of NLHE is well above mine. You will have no problems when you get to the higher limits and a lot of it matters. For now, simplify. Stop out thinking, out playing and out smarting these guys. Find a site you can 6 table, stay tight and crush it. Hit the flops and punish the draws. They always draw. Play their hand and nothing more. Put them on a range and nothing more. They are not putting you on hands, they are not playing position for draws. They limp ATC, they call with gut shots, They stack off with TPNK. Don't over think it, play more tables less hands and get'er done.

[bode]

ive been running and playing like complete shit this last week. ive only put in about 3000 hands or so, and in that time i have lost over 10 buyins. 2 of them at $25nl and 8 at $10nl. thats $130 and a big hit to my BR. So after a great start to the month of January ive pissed away all of my winnings, and lost about 1/2 of the $200ish of bonus money ive earned. I dont know what my fucking problem is, but i am just playing like a complete idiot calling station.

Ive all but finished reading NLHT&P, and feel like i have learned some new concepts but havent really applied them. One of my major leaks is builing huge pots with weaker holdings, especially OOP. After reading through all of the book club discussions yesterday, I really wanted to concentrate on pot control last night when i played. I did a great job of this, checking behind turns, and just overall controlling the pot size and played well for 500 hands. I got no cards to speak of so i was really just breaking even, and then i get a hand that ruins the night.

I raise AQs 4xBB from UTG. the CO, who had 3 bet me 3 times, all w/ AK, 3 bet me and I flat call. Flop comes Qxx w/ only 1 of my suit. Villain overbets the pot($8 into $5) and i call. This is where i should let go and give up. Oh, and were both 250bb deep, more on that later. The turn is a blank and he pushes and of course i ignore everything i know and call only to be shown KK. gg me, gg session, gg another 2.5 buyins.

when i started playing on stars, i ran about 5/6 ptbb/100 over 13k hands and was really playing solid poker. ever since switching to Absolute, i have played, and ran, like shit. for those that dont know, AP allows you to buy in for 200 bb's. I think this has been the downfall of my play since ive been on that site. Ive never really been comfortable playing deep in cash games. Mistakes while playing this deep are obv. magnified 2x or more, and i seem to always make 1 or 2 big mistakes when i have a deep stack. I know the obvious thing to do would be to only buyin for 100 bb's. Thats so easy, but i goes against another principal of buying in full to cover everyone at the table. There are alot of shorty donks on AP, but there are an equal amount who buy in for 200bbs and seem to hand their stack away. I just havent been one of those lucky recipiants lately.

Im going to put in what is hopefully my last session saturday night on AP. This is assuming that my epassport account gets confirmed and i can withdraw my money though. Im going to move to Full Tilt, where ive had some sucess in the past and clear as much of the $300 bonus i have left there before it runs out on March 8th. If anyone wants to swap some monies on AP for Full Tilt, holla at me.

Sorry of the rant, but i needed to get it off my chest.