10K hand checkup (Now 20K)

[Legendash]

Well I've played over 10k hands of 6-max and thought i'd see what you thought of my PT stats. As you can see i'm losing overall and my W$SD is pretty low at 42.

My preflop raising i thought was rather low which is why i included todays stats at the bottom. (not included in the upper stats) Although it's only a small sample size you can see i've increased my PFR to 15 which has been fun.

I've not lost money in such small amounts and so regularly as i have the past few weeks, it's been about -1 buyin per day without fail (I was up to start with). I can't tell how much of it is running bad and how much I plain suck.

[IowaSkinsFan]

ur going through bad variance. A 20% WTSD% shouldn't yield a less than 40% W$SD

[silu73]

Raise more in position pre-flop. Based on numbers try to tone down aggressionon turn/river postflop esp oop i.e. Check/Call more often

[vegascoop]

AF seems a little flat. I know there is more than one way to do it but most of the stat lines I've looked at have AF highest on the flop, then it steps down a notch on turn and a little more on the river. So for someone with AF of 5 on the flop it might look like 5/3/2 or something similar.

How often are you utilizing bet/bet/bet type lines? Are you thinking about pot size?

Just realized silu_nz already said what I said but in less words so... yeah that.

[Galapogos]

Raise more often preflop. I think as a general rule your VPIP and PFR shouldn't differ by more than around 5. Not sure if that's true but it sounds good.

[bode]

Raise more often preflop. I think as a general rule your VPIP and PFR shouldn't differ by more than around 5. Not sure if that's true but it sounds good.

yeah, this is the most obvious thing i see. 20/8 is not good stats to have in a 6max game. You are limping/calling WAY too much and not betting enough. I cant really understand how your AF is so high postflop when you are so passive preflop. Are you leading into raisers alot? c/r'ing alot? It just seems odd.

[thnwkd]

Raise more pf... vpip = 18 pfr s/b like 15, 22/18 etc.. etc
Tighten up SB
Open up CO & BTN
very aggro on turn... could be firing too many 2nd barrels?

[Anosmic]

It's true that by limping/cold calling so much pre-flop that you're losing a lot of advantage and some of your results can be improved there.

However I think it unlikely that the pre-flop change will change the results that much as it sound like a post-flop problem.

Aggression is normally good, but if you let villain catch hands pre-flop and bet into them too heavily post-flop then you're creating problems for yourself.

Have you joined the FTR session review? Would be a good place to start.

[bigspenda73]

LOL @ your WTSD and W$@SD. You are running bad dude.

[Legendash]

Thanks for your replies, glad to hear a couple of you're running bad comments as I think thats true. I totally agree about my pfr stats, after watching a few of EJeff's videos i'm playing a lot better preflop, 20/15 or the like.

I seem to have heard the adage it's better to bet than call too many times and seem to have pretty much eliminated calling from my game. That has to be an error so i'm going to try and work on that as well.

[Legendash]

I've played another 10K hands now and i thought i'd update this thread. Everything seems to have improved although my W$SD is still only 44%, not sure if that's normal or low. Also my SB seems to be leaking, would you agree?

The 10k mark on the graph is where i changed from 20/8/5 to 19/13/3.5, quite a difference eh. Now the real question is, how to get my graphs to form smooth upward slopes a la Cocco_Bill?

[sauce123]

try running 20/18 and see what happens.

[q49z321]

Now the real question is, how to get my graphs to form smooth upward slopes a la Cocco_Bill?

play another 300,000 hands? that should go a long way in smoothing out your graph i'd think, keeping it moving up will require the discipline to stick to your gameplan over a very long period of time.

[Legendash]

try running 20/18 and see what happens.

Hmm so to go from 20/13 to 20/18 I'd need to take 5/7ths of my calls preflop and turn them into raises, sounds heavy. So we'd be 3-betting light in position virtually all the time and 4-betting occasionally (I don't 4-bet).

At the moment virtually all my calling is in the blinds as i'm out of position, why would i want to be getting more money in the pot OOP? Is it mostly to generate a laggy image so my big hands get paid off more?

[bode]

try running 20/18 and see what happens.

Hmm so to go from 20/13 to 20/18 I'd need to take 5/7ths of my calls preflop and turn them into raises, sounds heavy. So we'd be 3-betting light in position virtually all the time and 4-betting occasionally (I don't 4-bet).

first off, take the above advice w/ a grain of salt. Going from 20/8 to 19/13 is a decent jump and is going to put you in more marginal spots postflop. Trying to up that to 20/18 all of the sudden is going to make it exponentially worse.

At the moment virtually all my calling is in the blinds as i'm out of position, why would i want to be getting more money in the pot OOP? Is it mostly to generate a laggy image so my big hands get paid off more?

Calling out of the blinds too much can be a huge leak. I think as far as calling goes, you want to be calling in the CO or Button w/ suited connectors, gappers and the likes. Its much easier to play for a call in position than it is to complete the SB, miss the flop and then have to figure out if villain is just c-betting the flop or he really has a hand when you are OOP the rest of the hand.

[Legendash]

Hmmm, i'm not sure if i'm calling too much in the blinds at the moment, VPIP is 14 in BB and 28 in SB. Mostly stuff like AJ, KQ, AXs in multi way pots etc. What are your blind numbers like?

I'm losing money with AJo, AKo and AQo when i've not raised (i.e. called a raise) I guess i need to fold OOP and 3 bet in position more with these.

[noble007]

wow interesting thread, it's like your gameplay has improved dramatically just from making some simple pre-flop changes in 10k hands.
Also if you're trying to get to a higher pre-flop raise number like 20/18 it doesn't have to mean 3betting light instead of calling a raise.
It's probably better to fold alot of the hands you are currently calling a raise with(so your calling numbers go down) & opening the amount of hands you raise first in with on CO & Button when it's folded to you. (So your preflop raise numbers go up.)