Trips. Fold river?

[pokerroomace]

Texas Hold'em $0.50-$0.50 NL (Real Money), #1,871,092,561
Table Chungli, 13 Feb 2007 1:02 PM ET

Seat 1: theEdg3 ($45.50 in chips)
Seat 2: naztyclown ($52.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($127.05 in chips)
Seat 4: lahtonen ($69.10 in chips)
Seat 5: PowerGirl5 ($84.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Begemot23 ($116.55 in chips)
Seat 7: Goaters_lip ($67.95 in chips)
Seat 8: game2meatu ($35.65 in chips)
Seat 9: tomboberlin ($22.30 in chips)
Seat 10: viajero23 ($59.25 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
theEdg3 posts blind ($0.25), naztyclown posts blind ($0.50).

Hero is dealt AJ

PRE-FLOP
Hero bets $2, lahtonen folds, PowerGirl5 folds, Begemot23 folds, Goaters_lip folds, game2meatu folds, tomboberlin calls $2, viajero23 folds, theEdg3 calls $1.75, naztyclown calls $1.50.

FLOP [board cards 7d, As, 6h]
theEdg3 checks, naztyclown checks, Hero bets $5, tomboberlin folds, theEdg3 folds, naztyclown calls $5.

TURN [board cards 7d, As, 6h, Ah]
naztyclown checks, Hero bets $8, naztyclown calls $8.

RIVER [board cards 7d, As, 6h, Ah, 2h]
naztyclown bets $25, ????? Hero folds.

SHOWDOWN
naztyclown wins $58.



SUMMARY
Dealer: viajero23
Pot: $59, (including rake: $1)
theEdg3, loses $2
naztyclown, bets $40, collects $58, net $18
Hero, loses $15
lahtonen, loses $0
PowerGirl5, loses $0
Begemot23, loses $0
Goaters_lip, loses $0
game2meatu, loses $0
tomboberlin, loses $2
viajero23, loses $0

I don't have any stats on naztyclown. but i did have some notes. I know that he's a bit of a calling station sometimes and he'll play at you if he thinks you're trying to steal the pot - but this info applies to heads up more where i make a cbet on a 744 flop after being the pf aggressor.
the little guy at the back of my head is shouting call for some reason. but my head is thinking fold.
he could have A7 or A6, 77 or 66. possibly AQ - but I think he plays it too strongly for AQ. possibly AK, but again, I think he bets this eariler in the hand. he could have AT or similar and playing like a donkey - this is definitely a possibility - but i don't know how a strong a possibility it is.

It seems like an easy fold but the guy in my head was shouting call. I didn't have complete focus and concentration on the hand though.
one thing that i was worried about was that I folded QQ pf a few hands earlier (after being 4bet very strongly) and i had announced it to the table. my opponent told me he had JJ and i think he was telling the truth after asking him about it a few times and from the replies i got and his thinking behind it. maybe the guy in the back of my head didn't want to make another fold like this again when I'm ahead.

[griffey24]

I think I call here.

But, I'm a station in these spots, and its probably a leak that I call too many big river bets.

I would probably call, and partially expect to be behind. We beat an ace with a worse kicker, that is trying to rep the flush/boat to get a better kicker to fold.

I don't mind calling here, as long as I learn something from this hand and make note of how villain played his fd or boat. At least the $25 was worth some information then.

Maybe its bad logic, rationalizing a potentially bad call, in exchange for information.

[pokerroomace]

i don't like the call just to get information. i think you give away way too much by doing this. there are plenty more hands to take notes on.

in fact i did take notes on other hands and found that he was bluffing a lot and made these sorts of pot sized river bets with a weak hand. i took note of this and gave him the opportunity to bluff me. he did and i got paid off nicely with my pocket aces. i was slightly worried he had me beat - but after watching some of the other hands he had played i was quite sure i was ahead most of the time.

i think he's probably bluffing in the above hand after watching him play some more. and i think that's why i wanted to call.

[zenbitz]

Your turn bet is a little weak (not saying you should bet more, but might he might think you are 2nd bulleting here), but it's a wierd board to try to bluff you out. He is repping the runner-runner flush? Unless he has exactly A2, I think a boat raises the turn here.

He might have something funny like 45/58/89h. It's either very sophisticated or totally insane to call OOP pre-flop, check/call, check/call, value bet as a bluff. It could be a whiffed straight draw.... block bet with A9?

Not a big fan of raising AJo UTG either, but it's OK I guess.

I think you just go with your gut here - neither folding nor calling (nor raising!) seems good. If you call and he has a boat or flush, comfort yourself knowing that he badly failed to extract value from you.

[Big-EZ]

First off I dont really like your UTG raise with AJ. He check-calls the A-7-6 flop. I don't think he is doing that with AK or AQ. Maybe A-7 or A-6 but I don't put him on an ace here. I think it's more realistic to think he has 77, 66, or 76s. He definitley could have called from the big blind with 76s and some odds. Check-calls the turn and puts up $25 on the river.

I think I end up calling here after a while. If he has 77 or 66 oh well. This is a spot where I pay off based on how he played the hand. If he did have the 77 or 66 I think the river bet would have looked more like $17 rather then a bet right around the pot size.

I think I call here but it's a tough spot.

[pokerroomace]

There are loads of discussions about AJ UTG and i've decided to go with raising. I do the same with KQ, but I'm not too sure about how good it is to raise KQ UTG. I might start folding it or limping it i future.
The FT tables are in general tight. So I prefer playing more aggressively. A lot of the time you pick up the blinds

[ensign_lee]

Foldy Fold fold.

I agree with folding here. While I was running through the HH, I was like 'ok. What could he have here and what would he do if he had something that beat me?'

Well, he saw you were the pf aggressor, he saw that you obviously liked the flop and the turn. I'm putting him on a set. It smells just like a set.

You're pwned here, especially at this level, where big explosions from fish = big hands.

Folding saved you money here.

[Miffed22001]

UTG fold is fine
Calling is fine. Folding is fine. IMO.

lots of options i guess

[pokerroomace]

Foldy Fold fold.

I agree with folding here. While I was running through the HH, I was like 'ok. What could he have here and what would he do if he had something that beat me?'

Well, he saw you were the pf aggressor, he saw that you obviously liked the flop and the turn. I'm putting him on a set. It smells just like a set.

You're pwned here, especially at this level, where big explosions from fish = big hands.

Folding saved you money here.

this player was capable of doing this with air too. i only found this out later though so your thinking still holds.

i did have a slight feeling that this player was capable of doing this with air, but i hadn't played with him enough.

later, i gave him the opportunity to make this same bet on the river. i checked th turn showing weakness and i was sure he saw it that way and that he was going to make a big river bet with any sort of hand. he bet $25 into a pot of approx. $30 on the river and i just called him down with my AA. he showed something like AT for A high.

[BankItDrew]

First of all, I have no problems raising UTG w/aj, pending the table.

Secondly, against an unknown, I'm folding this river bet. Weaker hands just don't lead out like this.