Party Poker Question

[fatsbedard]

Hi,

I have a bunch of question but I will start with just one...I'm sure this has been discussed here before...So freak out on me if you feel the need . I have read about this on a few other forums but this one seems to be the best to actually get good advice. I also read the "Is online poker rigged" post here...But that is not exactly my question.

I have been learning / playing poker for almost a year now. I recently got to a point where I was confident enough to start playing for real money. Seeing as I was playing for play $ @ party poker, that is where I chose to begin 2 weeks ago.

I put in 100$ and started playing sit n go's. For a week and a half...I played about 5-7 sit n go's a day @ diffrent prices. Mostly 3$ and 10$ ones and then a few 22$ because I made some $. I turned my 100$ into 300$. I placed in the $ in about 30/75 sit n go's. Then...All of a sudden...The winning ended. What did I do like a moron...I kept playing...Trying to make my $ back. I know I know...Not the way to do it. So basically...My initial investment I cashed out to only be playing with the $ I won off the site...But I lost the entire 200$ profit in 2 days. I could not win...I was playing well though...But the community cards...wow.

To get to my question - It's not "Is online poker rigged" BUT...These were the types of flops / turns / rivers that were turning up...OVER AND OVER haha.

AAQ44
KJ9210
KKJJ4 (You get the essence of what I'm saying...)

And also flops with 3 suited cards right off the bat all the time and then just a bunch of flops that were 356 and then 7 A Or 10KJ and then a 8 and A....

Basically...Just REDICULOUS flops.

Pocket pairs such as 22 33 44 55 66 77 88 99 and even 10 10 seemed to be useless...Because if anyone was holding a face cards...It would always pop up on the flop/turn/river.

A typical beat would be the one I just had...My pocket cards were A10. I was low stacked...I pushed al in. Someone called. They had a J 7. The community cards come...2 A J - 5 - J. This is one example but there were FAR worse ones. Almost unimaginalbe bad beats...Not just to me...But whoever. AA'ces getting cracked by trips...Trips getting smashed by Flushes...Which I know...Happens...But the rate it was happening at...I dunno.

Now some of you might ask me - Well were they like that when you were winning. Honestly...Not as bad. They still seemed suspicious...But it got rediculous in the last few days. Even the last day I was "winning".

So - my question (finally) is...I'm not asking if online poker in general is rigged...But are the flops on partypoker not completely suspicious? I'm sure some of you play there? A theory that someone told me...Which seemed to make sense...Was that there flops were "action rigged" IE they are like that so that the "average joe" can beat a flush with a full house or a straight with a flush or etc etc...And so that the pros could not come there and take everyones money. He said "that's why they call it party poker...It's about fun...Not making $"

So I would love to hear your opinions on this...From those who have or still do play there and those who havent. I just find the community cards retarded and don't think I will be playing there anymore. I have a feeling I'm going to be told "never play @ party poker"....

So...What do you think?

Respect

FB

[bode]

this is variance for you. its not rigged or fixed to have action flops. its just how the cards fall. sometimes you are hot and catching every flop, other times the deck is kicking you in the balls. get over it.

also playing 20-30 sngs isnt anything. put in 500-1000 and then you will see these things even out.

your not going to be told to "never play @ Party Poker. Most everyone here loves (loved) that site before it kicked out US customers.

[fatsbedard]

And just for kick...Another one...Just now...

Someone had AA - They went all in.

Someone called with Q 10 unsuited (yes, people call all ins with junk)

The community cards come...J k 7 q q - I kid you not.

....



FB

[uscheese]

I miss partypoker.

[fatsbedard]

this is variance for you. its not rigged or fixed to have action flops. its just how the cards fall. sometimes you are hot and catching every flop, other times the deck is kicking you in the balls. get over it.

also playing 20-30 sngs isnt anything. put in 500-1000 and then you will see these things even out.

your not going to be told to "never play @ Party Poker. Most everyone here loves (loved) that site before it kicked out US customers.

I am over it - I was never under it . I'm not mad...It's just that "its just how the cards fall" does not seem to apply as this happens many times in each tourney. When you watch on TV this happens once in a while...

Perhaps it's changed since the US banned it...I'm sorry...It's just extremely suspicious. You don't have to know much about poker to find the cards wayyy outta wack. Each game someone says it...And there not complaining because they got beat...Just noticing.

I respect your opinion though.

FB

[Pelion]

Party poker is not rigged.

if anyone was holding a face cards...It would always pop up on the flop/turn/river.

Do you have any idea how unlikely it is for 0 face cards to appear by the river?

there are 12 face card. The chance of 0 face cards comming by the river when you hold a low PP (i.e. TT-22) is

40/50 x 39/49 x 38/48 x 37/47 = 2193360/5527200 = 40%

You EXPECT at least 1 facecard to appear over half the time so it isnt really suprising that they do.

If you are playing against people who are calling stations (call down with any facecard) then surely you can see that they are HUGELY exploitable. Post some hands and try and figure out how YOU can play to beat these games. Spend less time worrying about if its rigged and more time worrying about why you cant beat terrible players.

Welcome to FTR

[bode]

this is variance for you. its not rigged or fixed to have action flops. its just how the cards fall. sometimes you are hot and catching every flop, other times the deck is kicking you in the balls. get over it.

also playing 20-30 sngs isnt anything. put in 500-1000 and then you will see these things even out.

your not going to be told to "never play @ Party Poker. Most everyone here loves (loved) that site before it kicked out US customers.

I am over it - I was never under it . I'm not mad...It's just that "its just how the cards fall" does not seem to apply as this happens many times in each tourney. When you watch on TV this happens once in a while...

Perhaps it's changed since the US banned it...I'm sorry...It's just extremely suspicious. You don't have to know much about poker to find the cards wayyy outta wack. Each game someone says it...And there not complaining because they got beat...Just noticing.

I respect your opinion though.

FB

trust me, it hasnt changed a bit since the US players were banned.

the reason you see these sick beats, especially at the lowest limits, is because people call all in bets with QT or J7s. When you watch the higher limits where the vast majority of players are very good, you dont see as many hands like you described because people arent playing the trash hands as much.

also, the reason you dont see the frequency of plays like this live is because you see about 1/2 the hands in the same amout of time as if you were playing online.

[Sprayed]

If you played as many hands live that you play on-line you would see the same shit. ON-LINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED! YOU WILL NOT WIN EVERY TIME WITH AA, KK, QQ ETC.

It is called variance and because of variance you need to understand back roll (br) management. You said you lost your ass playing SNGs of all types of buy-ins on a $300 roll. You should not play any SNG over $6.50. It is recommended that you should have 45 buy-ins in your br for the level that you are playing at. Some of the folks here may tell you more. Bottom line is that you will go through a losing streak that may last for a while and you need to have the br to sustain that kind of losing streak.

[fatsbedard]

If you played as many hands live that you play on-line you would see the same shit. ON-LINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED! YOU WILL NOT WIN EVERY TIME WITH AA, KK, QQ ETC.

It is called variance and because of variance you need to understand back roll (br) management. You said you lost your ass playing SNGs of all types of buy-ins on a $300 roll. You should not play any SNG over $6.50. It is recommended that you should have 45 buy-ins in your br for the level that you are playing at. Some of the folks here may tell you more. Bottom line is that you will go through a losing streak that may last for a while and you need to have the br to sustain that kind of losing streak.

I don't think it's "rigged" - I just find AAJJ10 and AQ 78J suited and etc etc over and over a bit odd...But I'm sure you guys are right since you have been at it for so long.

As for the bankroll part - I'm still learning. I learnt my lesson with that...I understand the concep now. I'm new...I learnt how to play the "game"...But have not learnt all the "In's n outs" (no pun intended) yet.I gave it my first go. I did well...Then not so well. It was a good lesson. I'm still learning...Reading here today I have ammased a bunch of very usefull info. I learnt my bankroll lesson threw my experience this week and reading here...

This game is addictive...Even for someone like me who does not even have an adictive personality. I guess I love the game...But I now know I have to do more research and have a propper bankroll to continue.

Aside from here (though allllllot is here) Are there any links you guys know of that offer broad advice such as bankroll related stuff and how to go about making $ (not getting rich but just extra income) with online NL poker.

Again...I respect everyones opinion...I always knew there was more to it than a few hundred bucks and poker skill...But I should have known when to stop and do that research...If I paused when I made the $$$ I did and did more research...I'd basically have my banroll haha. All in all, I'm ok with losing because it taught me a valuable lesson.

I'm new guys haha - Take it ez on me .

Thanks,

FB

[fatsbedard]

Do you have any idea how unlikely it is for 0 face cards to appear by the river?

there are 12 face card. The chance of 0 face cards comming by the river when you hold a low PP (i.e. TT-22) is

Welcome to FTR

You mean likely right . I do...I was just venting a bit I guess, because I know how to play those small pokcet pairs and never busted out on one.

Thanxx for the welcome!

FB

[Sprayed]

Go here for a good article for bankroll management:
Bankroll Management

These are great video teaching sites:
www.cardrunners.com = Good for ring.
www.pokerxfactor.com = Good for MTT's and SNG's
www.realpokertraining.com = Good for MTT's