Question to the guys with big bankrolls

[jayknabl]

This is a question for those of you who've built your bankroll by grinding from the $5 dollar tables. About how long did it take you to get up to the 10s, the 25s, the 50s, etc...

I'm in the middle of the grind right now and it seems like at this rate, its going to take a solid while to get to higher limits.

[Tjorriemorrie]

Wondering the same...

I'm at micro and at my rate it will take a month to move up to the next micro, lol

[Alexos]

I don't have a BIG bankroll yet, but significantly higher than when I started. The only thing I have to tell you it's that once you move up, it's exponential. It looks like forever at the 5$, but when you'll move to the 10$, 20$, etc..your profit will double each time if you're as successful in beating those games. It took me 4 months to jump from 5$ to 30$ sng, probably about 400 sng's?? Maybe a little more?

Patience, learn to beat this game then move up, the BR will grow pretty quick you'll see.

[biondino]

This question is so hard to answer. Maybe search Renton or Ilikeaces or Gabe's old posts and follow their progress. Bear in mind, though, like every hierarchy, there are a hell of a lot fewer dudes at the top than there are at the bottom.

[euphoricism]

Profit is definitely exponential, minus a little bit because as you increase stake the play gets better.

Think of NL ring. Whereas at 25NL you might make $10/hourish. At 50NL you'll be closer to 30ish. 100NL, lots of people do 70ish an hour. Starting at the bottom is tough, but no other job has better promotion structure ;]

[pokerroomace]

Profit is definitely exponential, minus a little bit because as you increase stake the play gets better.

Think of NL ring. Whereas at 25NL you might make $10/hourish. At 50NL you'll be closer to 30ish. 100NL, lots of people do 70ish an hour. Starting at the bottom is tough, but no other job has better promotion structure ;]

why is the increase exponential?

i thought it would be directly proportional (minus a bit, because of the tougher play)

[Pelion]

Think of NL ring. Whereas at 25NL you might make $10/hourish. At 50NL you'll be closer to 30ish. 100NL, lots of people do 70ish an hour.

You sure about that? That would seem to suggest that the competition gets easier as you move up in stakes. In my experience my hands per hour has been fairly consistent as I move up and my BB/100 has fallen as Ive moved up in stakes.

[Reidak]

The thread got a bit off topic; he wanted to know how long it would take.

I started at the $10 tables with about $300. I was aiming for $500 to being my $25NL. It took me a good month to grind that $200 at the 10NL tables, however I wasnt playing that much. It was probably because i wasnt making much so i wasnt too interested.

Once I hit 25NL I started playing more, because I was making more. From 25NL to 50NL ($1000) It took me just over a month.

Right now i'm at 50NL, bankrolls about $1700.

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And yes, it does take a while to grind, but you learn alot during the grind. It's really rewarding when you hit the next level. Keep at it.

[b-rabbit]

how long it takes might depend on how often you play and how long your sessions...and not only that but the consistency of your play...are you learning anything when you play? if you play a lot, but you don't do much to get better...like me for the first year or so of playing poker...your growth will not be exponential at all...but in any case DO NOT try to get rich quick by playing out of your BR...it might work out for a little while, but you will get owned eventually and then you'll have to start all over again...so like everyone else said, be patient mang.

[Miffed22001]

You can make 2.5k in approx 30-60k hands of cash game play. (If that)
Bonus whoring still works and can still be done, there are offers out there for you to get started.

Beyond 2.5k you actually need to learn to play a bit of poker as 100nl can be beaten by many players but at 200nl you start finding players who can actually play and progress is a bit slower.
I have no idea how long it takes on SNGs but doing some quick mat hif you have a 20% roi at $10+1's then every 100SNG's you make approx $200 so that would be like 500 or more SNGs per level.
From my limited experience i took approx 700SNG's to show enough profit to move from $5's to $10's and $10's to $20's.

FWIW, my br is 35k and ive made it in about the last 3-4months from running awesomly good and playing a massive amount of poker. Before that id hovered around the 5-10k mark playing average, solid poker.
Then on the advice of a high roller i stopped cashing out my roll to pay for my life and gave it a real shot at making it by putting in the hours.
Ive been playing nearly two years, only 18months as a winning player however, and my total winnings are probably close to 50k, so it will take you 6months IMO even if you put a massive number of hours in, to get what you might call a significant br.
But 2.5k is reachable in a short time IMO if you use the correct bonus whoring resources and perhaps a bit of blackjack whoring.

My opinion is that you can build a bankroll to play 100nl in a few short months, even shorter if you have the time to play a lot of hands. And 2.5k is a fair bankroll if you have been only playing a few months IMO.
If you consider runing 4bbs/100 at 400 hands per hour thats $16 per hour, a fairly substantial side income for a non-pro player.
$2.5k is a very reachable goal IMO and will give you the chance to make a second income and enjoy poker and play some big MTTs and decent ring games/SNGs.
10k is an attainable goal, but requires you to be a decent player, with good knowledge.
Beyond that its tough, a few MTT wins usually help.

[Halv]

But 2.5k is reachable in a short time IMO if you use the correct bonus whoring resources and perhaps a bit of blackjack whoring.

He speaks the truth. Bonus whoring is the single most important thing if you want to build a bankroll. Of course being a winning player is important, but some clever bonus whoring can turn a break even player or marginal loser into a winner.

As for blackjack bonus whoring, well, if you can't build a 2.5k roll whoring casinos then you have either run into some major variance early on or you have a tilt problem.

Any player with 100$ should whore at least planetluck, starluck and bet365.

[jyms]

From someone who made the mistake of whoring too early, with a dream of riches. Get that first $500 by grinding $5NL and $10NL. Once you have a real $500 bankroll, let the whoring begin. You can get lots of help when you ask the question " I have $500 dollars in Neteller, where do I go to whore?"

Don't sign up anywhere else, don't register with anyone till your BR is ready. Stay where you are and grind. I've been at it since February, I've had some bad starts but a seious 3 months and I'm at $900 now starting with my last $50 in Aug.

[XTR1000]

i started out about 7 months ago, grinding 2+.25 sng´s, at $150 i moved up to 5+.50 sng´s. after hitting 300 i grinded 10NL for 6 or 7 weeks. played 25NL for 3 or 4 weeks then switched to 50NL, playing 2 instead of 4 tables. all in all it took me 6 or 7 months to get that holy 1k.

and dont start Bonus whoring until you´re healthy rolled and can afford to park some $$ as pending cashouts. i just started salsa´s whoring tour, after 2 casinos i have $240 tied up somewhere in star/planetlucks eZecash system.
be prepared for a huge variance. from possible $200 bonus i earned $40 in the end.

just my .02

[Miffed22001]

FWIW, if you arent american there are probably $1500 in blackjack bonuses available at thsi very moment.

Add a party/empire sign up whore and maybe paradise and some prima site whores and we have $2k.
That would literally take 40hrs of casino time and nothing more to create a bankroll.

The other point to consider is that bonus whores suggests that if you take away the major reload sites like UB and AP and just do most sign up bonuses you could make 10-40k in cash alone.

It only takes time to build a medium sized roll, nothing more to be honest.

[Halv]

Add "discipline" and I totally agree with everything you said. And I think your $ estimates are low.

[Miffed22001]

Add "discipline" and I totally agree with everything you said. And I think your $ estimates are low.

Very true, i just considered the easiest ones that came to mind and in terms of poker i removed UB and AP because their is no chance you can clear all of these two sites weekly/daily/hourly/secondly reloads

[martindcx1e]

Profit is definitely exponential, minus a little bit because as you increase stake the play gets better.

Think of NL ring. Whereas at 25NL you might make $10/hourish. At 50NL you'll be closer to 30ish. 100NL, lots of people do 70ish an hour. Starting at the bottom is tough, but no other job has better promotion structure ;]

these numbers seem way high to me...anyone else?

[pokerroomace]

thanks for all the advice guys. great thread. just need the time to play.

Profit is definitely exponential, minus a little bit because as you increase stake the play gets better.

Think of NL ring. Whereas at 25NL you might make $10/hourish. At 50NL you'll be closer to 30ish. 100NL, lots of people do 70ish an hour. Starting at the bottom is tough, but no other job has better promotion structure ;]

these numbers seem way high to me...anyone else?

these numbers do seem high to me.
and back to my original question - how is the growth exponential. i think it's the inverse of exponential. it's like the ln fuction in maths. as the stakes double; the hourly win rate doubles, minus a bit (because of the better players and less fish).
is what i say true?

[Halv]

Yeah, sounds like you speak the truth ace.

[martindcx1e]

thanks for all the advice guys. great thread. just need the time to play.

Profit is definitely exponential, minus a little bit because as you increase stake the play gets better.

Think of NL ring. Whereas at 25NL you might make $10/hourish. At 50NL you'll be closer to 30ish. 100NL, lots of people do 70ish an hour. Starting at the bottom is tough, but no other job has better promotion structure ;]

these numbers seem way high to me...anyone else?

these numbers do seem high to me.
and back to my original question - how is the growth exponential. i think it's the inverse of exponential. it's like the ln fuction in maths. as the stakes double; the hourly win rate doubles, minus a bit (because of the better players and less fish).
is what i say true?

well so far ace my wr has not suffered between 25nl-100nl. i know there are a number of ppl around who actually do considerably better at 100nl than they did at 25nl. past that i think wr starts to fall slowly.

[Halv]

Most people don't play nearly enough hands at any level to establish their true winrates. I had a better bb/100 at 100NL than at 50 NL, but my sample size of 10k-20k hands at each level is just too small to be anywhere near conclusive.

[Miffed22001]

my winrate at 200nl pwns anything else i could possibly try to do (24bbs/100 over 28k)

running goot is teh ownage.

[martindcx1e]

my winrate at 200nl pwns anything else i could possibly try to do (24bbs/100 over 28k)

running goot is teh ownage.

holy frick! miffed plays goot.