hee haw or yee haw?

[Bmxicle]

standard very aggressive tagg player, i think the 55 raise makes strong hands like overpairs less likely, but they are certainly very much still in the picture. I will explain my reasoning later, just thought i'd post it cause its mildly interesting.

FullTiltPoker Game #1167547632: Table Polaris (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:54:11 ET - 2006/10/29
Seat 1: Count Stacula ($1,040)
Seat 2: GoingBUSTO ($1,162)
Seat 3: TILTYBOY ($3,771.75)
Seat 4: Wyteazn ($1,035)
Seat 5: gotrocks13 ($1,015)
Seat 6: Hava Nagila ($2,062.50)
Count Stacula posts the small blind of $5
GoingBUSTO posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GoingBUSTO [Kd Ts]
TILTYBOY folds
Wyteazn folds
gotrocks13 folds
Hava Nagila folds
Count Stacula raises to $55
GoingBUSTO calls $45
*** FLOP *** [7h 9s 5c]
Count Stacula bets $75
GoingBUSTO raises to $175
Count Stacula raises to $355
GoingBUSTO has 15 seconds left to act
GoingBUSTO raises to $1,107, and is all in

[UG]

min-raise fool!

[Pingviini]

I dont really 4-bet bluff myself but I can see why you might want to do this, deep level thinking from aggressive player and here you are.

[handsomestan]

That is a very sexy move. Did it work?

[Kits]

My tiny balls don't let me make moves like this. I don't think I like it though. Is AK/KQ unreasonable for villain?

[Genitruc]

I don't play these stakes, but his flop 3-bet makes very little sense.

[Margin Of Error]

standard very aggressive tagg player, i think the 55 raise makes strong hands like overpairs less likely, but they are certainly very much still in the picture. I will explain my reasoning later, just thought i'd post it cause its mildly interesting.

FullTiltPoker Game #1167547632: Table Polaris (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:54:11 ET - 2006/10/29
Seat 1: Count Stacula ($1,040)
Seat 2: GoingBUSTO ($1,162)
Seat 3: TILTYBOY ($3,771.75)
Seat 4: Wyteazn ($1,035)
Seat 5: gotrocks13 ($1,015)
Seat 6: Hava Nagila ($2,062.50)
Count Stacula posts the small blind of $5
GoingBUSTO posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GoingBUSTO [Kd Ts]
TILTYBOY folds
Wyteazn folds
gotrocks13 folds
Hava Nagila folds
Count Stacula raises to $55
GoingBUSTO calls $45
*** FLOP *** [7h 9s 5c]
Count Stacula bets $75
GoingBUSTO raises to $175
Count Stacula raises to $355
GoingBUSTO has 15 seconds left to act
GoingBUSTO raises to $1,107, and is all in

If he called I have to know what he had.

[alias2211]

i really only like to make these sorts of moves against players who i can tell have a sufficient roll to make a curiosity call. like a regular who could see the long term benefit from making this call w/ anything less than a premium PF hand. you get a lot more leeway for a move like this when it's applied to a regular with whom you have history.

alternatively, i do not like to make this move against players who i feel are playing scared because if they have the motivation to give me the minraise 3bet on the flop they are usually interested in getting it all in so i wouldn't want to play their hand for them.

i am not sure about letting the time go down like that though. i would be more inclined to delay when i knew i was going to push, as opposed to letting him see you're actually thinking about it and not having much to back it up. of course it may not have occured to you that this was a viable play until after some review. butit may have a slight effect of increasing the chance of getting a call from a hand that is ahead but that could have folded otherwise to a vulgar display of power.

[Ravageur]

I agree with alias2211 that the amount of time you took to push has an impact on the success of this move. That being said I think this is a pretty sweet. Post your thoughts?

[Bmxicle]

OK so here was my reasoning for the play and the result:

He had been making these big raises in position only, and doing it alot, so i knew his range was very large, because his range is very large i also know that he does not hit this flop in any meaningful way the vast majority of the time. Thus i raise his flop c-bet. However, he knows that i know all of this, we are both very aggressive players and he knows that my range is also very large here, and i also prolly didn't hit the flop in any meaningful way a large portion of the time, and even if i did, a three bet is a strong move and can take me off some hands. So here i am faced with a threebet, well what would he three bet? The nuts is unlikely, this is a very dry board, almost all people will let an aggressive player like me spew off on later streets. A set is also unlikely, he is definately going broke with it, so why bother three betting it on such a dry flop? What about an overpair, well three betting an overpair here is a terrible play here and essentially turns his hand into air, and i also said earlier that the bigger raise reduced the probability of a really big pair here, so i think an overpair is unlikely at best here, and even if he has it he probably should fold. So basically it came down to the fact that he almost never has a strong hand here, so i shoved, and i was almost positive he would fold, which is exactly what he did.

I agree that my timer running down a little bit may make this move slightly less profitable, but i 8 table and that happens all the time so i don't think it is a very big influencing factor.

[gabe]

i think this move takes a read that you cant really put into words, its just all intuition. also, i dont think people should dismiss the villian having a strong hand so easily. i would play a flopped straight/set/top two like this.

[Ravageur]

Sweet analysis Bmixicle. Thanks for enlightening us. I'm not as sure as you seem to be that villain should fold an overpair in this spot (considering all the metagame/agressiveness), but as you explained, it's so unlikely that he has one that this move is +EV.