LOL

[ReLOADeD]

FTR really cracks me up.

This is advertised as a 'poker forum' but its obvious that very few people here are interested in discussing poker. All Ive seen so far as a new member is a series of smart ass one liner replies from a handful of 'regulars' who don't seem to ever offer any intelligent dialogue. Ive also noticed that the level of understanding from a poker theory standpoint is at BEST entry level BS.

This 'community' is ridiculous... and the maturity level here is about on the 6th grade level which I'm sorry to say is a major deterrent from posting anything of substance for fear of ridicule.

And what the fuck is the deal with this 'strike' system that your admin(s) are so high about ? LOL what a fucked up premise for a poker community. Even with this ridiculous strike system in place they still don't do shit about offensive avatars and posts that defy common decency that are devoid of any substance whatsoever.

FTR is a cute little site with good intentions but will never be taken seriously in the poker community until the self righteous admins realize that policing every single post is a futile effort.

Sorry if Im ruffling any feathers here Im just callin it the way I see it as a new member. This site is dominated by a handful of forum tards with nothing to offer and the admins just let it happen....kind of a shame actually.

STRIKE 1 !!

LOL

[euphoricism]

The community is a very special forum for very special people. The rest of the forum is a very different entity. You can, as many do, simply never come to this forum. I rarely, rarely, rarely visit it.

Ive also noticed that the level of understanding from a poker theory standpoint is at BEST entry level BS.

Care to provide any sort of proof to this, or do you figure you shouldn't bother, because I would not understand it anyway?


And you will not be given strikes for voicing your opinion on improving the site.

[euphoricism]

I also happen to agree with you about the strike policy.

[euphoricism]

And the avatars.

[Ravageur]

I agree with a lot of your points actually, but I think you're wrong about a few things. There are some people on this forum that can give good advice, and there are threads that are singularly committed to talking about poker strategy and are void of buddies spamming the boards with crap.
HOWEVER!!! You should definitely stay away from the FTR community, as you won't find anything of interest here unless you're part of the close-nit forum regulars (that's not me either ) , or a lot of us.

Just stick to the forums dedicated to poker and I think you'll find you can learn a lot from the rest of the FTR Community. Oh, and ignore the strikes crap, it won't affect someone that's interested in talking about poker and learning the game anyway.

Hope you stick around.

[ReLOADeD]

All Im saying is that after browsing many of the sections available on FTR I've found a serious lack of substance or thoughtful replies (in general). The bulk of the replies to any post in any section are smug one liners for the most part. FTR is light years behind any other poker forum Ive visited.

Im sure that the replies to follow will bash me for having the audacity to even comment about this and Im 1/2 expecting a 'ban' notice in my email box because God forbid I critisized the admins for turning the mood of this forum into a Nazi-esque medium to discuss poker.

Good idea but poorly executed. IMO this forum will die a slow death if the admins persist in enforcing this ridiculous 'martial law' type of theme to the forums. This guy Xianti could learn a lot from Dustin Woolf over at NWP where they just let it rip with no consequences. They have twice the members with uncensored threads in 1/2 the time FTR has even existed for.

For better or for worse the admins here need to realize that the poker community is a harsh bunch.....trying to RULE (us) is a losing proposition and enforcing this ridiculous strike system is only going to be FTR's downfall driving prospective members away in droves.

[Bmxicle]

muxworthy?

[Hartlin]

Are you going to be a member of the site when FTR goes into this downfall you speak of?

There are SOOOOOOOO many better sites for poker discussion I guess, why don't you just join their and talk with them? It seems like this site is useless, which you've gladly informed us of, anything else you care to say before you go?

Not sure why you decided to register, ... browse ... , flame

[Greedo017]

you complain that the poker community is immature and on a 16-year old level but don't like that a system of regulating that was created?

we don't ridicule people. in the community, yea of course, but its because we're all friendly with each other.The only time we might ridicule someone regarding poker, and all ridicule is unacceptable, is when someone posts something and we clearly explain to them that they are wrong, and they insist that we are dumb and they are still right. usually, they throw insults first, or go to their deathbed insisting something that is obviously wrong is actually right.

[WildBobAA]

He actually makes a good point about the poker content. As far as that goes, we are way behind 2p2 and pocketfives.

[Greedo017]

of course, but so what, is there really anything we can do about it? i don't think its caused by giving strikes to troublemakers.

[ReLOADeD]

Greedo what you can do about it is actually THINK about a reply before flinging out some smart ass 'cute' one liner remark (not you specifically Im speaking of the bulk of replies on this forum)

This is clearly a 'clique' rich forum...not just in the Community but in every section of the poker related sections.

As WildBob stated, you people will never be taken seriously as a poker community until you have the foresight to reply to questions with tact, intelligence and genuine interest. The nature of most replies (at least from a new members perspective like me) are completely devoid of constructive criticism and all too often end up as flame fests or just flat out absurdity. Most of the members seem to be more interested in responding with a smart ass replies than offering up legitimate advice or guidance to the newer players (the audience which the admins claim to be so devoted to)

FTR is the 'pre school' of poker forums with a collective membership that seems to have little or no interest in educating newer players...despite being advertised on the home page as precisely that.

[Greedo017]

do you have a handful of threads as examples?

Just because an answer is short, doesn't mean it doesn't show interest, or isn't well thought out. if you ask a question, people will give you their opinion on an answer. If you don't understand why, ask why. I think your claim of what a typical response consists of is pretty far fetched, but maybe i'm wrong.

[midas06]

I don't think p5s is ahead of content here... that site's just a mtt railbirding community.

Ditto for NWP, it's just a community site.

2p2 is pretty far ahead of everyone as far as actual content is concerned

[ItDepends]

I don't think p5s is ahead of content here... that site's just a mtt railbirding community.

Ditto for NWP, it's just a community site.

2p2 is pretty far ahead of everyone as far as actual content is concerned

Thanks to our awesome 19 hand play chart and super useful hand converter.

[midas06]

meh at least some people try to get discussion going here instead of ZOMG I'M AT A FT OF A 20 180 WHERE MY RAILBIRDS AT and LOL I SCAMMED SOMEONE AND HERE'S PIX OF HIS DIX LOLOLOLO

[jackvance]

It's a well guarded secret, but the shorthanded is where the real content is at..

Oh, and FTR has been pretty much my only source of poker information since I started (never read any books, no prior experience with any sort of poker) and it turned me into a winning player pretty quickly, so there has to be some value here right?

[arkana]

There is good content but yes, i also wish there was a better signal/noise ratio. Stay out of the community if you dont fancy it. I dont like the strike system either but I think the admins have it in place with good reason, they are trying to improve the quality of the site.

[ensign_lee]

The site is really divided into three sections.
1) Poker Content: that's the majority of the site. Little to no garbage escapes from #2 out there
2) The Community: this place has pretty much no poker content whatsoever. But that's not the point of the community. That's probably why your post count doesn't go up because of it. It's here to localize the crap and allow us to shoot the shit with each other. Would I still be here if it werne't for the community? Maybe, but doubtful.
3) Everything else: sportsbetting, casino bonuses...etc.

If you're proposing that we get rid of the commune, what you're proposing is that all this crap spill out everywhere else. At least, here, there's this black hole which keeps everything here.

If you don't like it, that's ok. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But you don't have to come to community; nobody's saying you HAVE to do so in order to be part of the actual FTR community.

And if you think that the poker content out there is so bad, then you should help us fix it. Point out what we're saying that's stupid. Engage us in logical thought and discussion. Trust me; you won't get flamed likeother sites.

[ItDepends]

There is actual content here?

[bigred]

I got banned so I'm gonna make a new name and bash FTR

[ItDepends]

I got banned so I'm gonna make a new name and bash FTR

[a500lbgorilla]

Our problem is with the immature.

The immature always post the one liners and the "omgwtfbbq" posts that destroy actual content threads outside of this forum. They're the ones like spoonitnow who make an avatar JUST too push buttons and piss people off. They're the ones that don't do anything except water-log the forums and make it look like a mad-house instead of a poker forum.

Beyond that, banning them in some cases (see: Doggz) works. They open up a new account and continue to be mostly productive. Some of them simply get a new ip, new account and make life difficult for everyone becuase it is in their very nature to be an asshole to everyone else.

So what's the solution? Ban spoonitnow for his avatar which he only used to piss people off? I'd do it in a heartbeat. But will spoonitnow become another Muxy who gloats about the new forum accounts he's going to make to spam the boards at 2am?

I used to love all the immature bullcrap that went on around here becuase it went right up there with my sense of humor. I also loved being the only forum-whore on the entire site a year or two ago. My immaturity was tolerated becuase I posted content constantly and like to believe I was pretty fucking funny. But ever since the genisis of Triptanes, the immature forum-whore has been a contentless ass-hole spewing 1337 shit from the bowels of a brain that has too much time on its hands but not enough willpower to post meaningful content. I remember a time when the commune was so filled with moronic bullshit that I had to plead/demand everyone to stop. When Triptanes would open 8 threads about 8 different topics on CS. Deagle vrs dualies, discuss. M4 vrs AK47, discuss. etc...

That was the day when we should have started banning people but we wanted to stay the "friendly forum alternative to 2+2" that we had been for about a year. So, we did nothing but tell them to stop.

And then a few months later, new faces, same cycle. Teenages and 20-somethings that need an outlet for all their energies came here to make the same joke 100 times a day. And we once again tried to pull our punches and stay a friendly forum by implementing a 3-strikes and your out system. (My idea, my bad) A system worn publicly as a badge of honor.

The only time the forum was doing well was when Xianti began Martial Law. A period when he sought to ban people for being stupid.

If you want more content in the other forums, if you want less spamming going on in this forum, we are going to have to choose who is a member of the forum. To choose who is allowed to post becuase some people just arn't capable of reading and replying thoughfully. We've got to move into a permenant but unannouced martial law where peoples heads are constantly on chopping blocks.

To me, it seems like the only way.

[bigred]

I think attempting to improve FTR by posting constructive threads or initiating positive poker development whether it be mentoring, writing guides, or any other kind of positive, informative poker insight will do more towards benefitting and "fixing" a community then a post bitching and crying about what's wrong could ever do. There's been plenty of whiners before this thread and there will be plenty more to come. Few (except for maybe the thread openly complaining about all the flaming) will ever change the course of FTR.

If you really want to improve things, take action and influence the community in a positive way. Instead of saying "this community's content sucks, you're all so immature! wah wah wah" you could try, you know, adding content. People acting immature? Ignore the post or address it in a positive way, like "Bigred, you're really not funny, keep your attention whoring posts in the community where it belongs, I'm trying to learn, thanks."

People are always so quick to point out what's wrong from their throne but they rarely get up and change something.

[Rondavu]

Poster wildly exaggerates. First of all there's a lot of good content on here. He's blatantly wrong about his content ranting. If he needs us to dig up a bunch of posts with meaty content, we can surely do that.

In terms of our strike policy, it hasn't been around long enough to lay judgement. To do so is immature in it's own right.

People here are fun loving as well as knowledgeable. If one can't handle that, then one should return to Buckingham Palace and indulge himself with uptight tea and snob crumpets.

I suggest poster give FTR a fair chance more than 7 posts. I suggest poster ask some poker questions, and get some poker answers before laying poker judgement. Until that happens, I refuse to respect posters opinion. Though I understand it shouldn't be taken completely with a grain of salt, it is pretty damn close.

[ItDepends]

Beyond that, banning them in some cases (see: Doggz) works. They open up a new account and continue to be mostly productive.

I think you overestimate my content creation since gabe got 'DoGGz' banned. The community I have outside the forums is the reason I registered itdepends.

[bigred]

Your name alone is good poker content.

[doctorgonzo]

The question is what kind of forum the owners of this site want.

Right now, from what it appears to me, this is a site that is full of useful information, but it can be very intimidating to newcomers because of all of the cliques and inside jokes. It seems that for the most part, things are pretty loose here, but not as loose as some of the forums out there where flaming and insults are the rule, not the exception.

If you wanted a forum where it was safe for your grandmother to post a question and get a respectful answer, then the only solution is to run this forum with an iron fist. No insults, no spamming, no "OMGWTF?!!?" posts, no swearing, no mostly-naked avatars, no nothing that wouldn't be appropriate in church. People who break the laws are banned immediately or after one warning. No dissent is tolerated. It is possible to run a forum like this, and it can work. It's up to whoever controls this forum to decide, though.

And I do ignore all the stupid pointless posts. I believe that if some n00b asks you the same simple question that has been asked a thousand times before, you still treat them with respect and give the answer in a way that doesn't make them feel stupid for asking. That builds a good community and makes people feel welcome to post.

[ItDepends]

As an aside, I love the tuckermax.com forums where they basically ban anyone who they don't like or who is retarded.

Prob wouldn't work here.

[Miffed22001]

so yeah, i read 2+2 today and learnt nothing.

So much for content, waht does pokcet5s have? a bunch of high rollers. gg medium stakes players.

btw, what do you really want. A bunch of posts by proffessors on poker theorem who have little knowledge of how the game really plays, or a bunch of real life hand historys from players learning new situations?
I know which I'D rather learn from

[Rondavu]

FTR is fine. Poster seriously lacks perspective.

[bigred]

FTR is fine. Poster seriously lacks perspective.

NH

[Warpe]

As probably the most chronologically mature immature poster here, let me just say that you get what you look for. You also get what you give.

The forums are a motherlode of insightful poker information, a wellspring of useless, childish crap and, most importantly, a blank page. If you don't like the state of the union, change it by posting the kind of content you want instead of just bitching about it.

FTR has made me a winning player. It has also given me some of the best laughs ever. I like that combination.

[Ravageur]

so yeah, i read 2+2 today and learnt nothing.

So much for content, waht does pokcet5s have? a bunch of high rollers. gg medium stakes players.

btw, what do you really want. A bunch of posts by proffessors on poker theorem who have little knowledge of how the game really plays, or a bunch of real life hand historys from players learning new situations?
I know which I'D rather learn from

Don't get me wrong, I love FTR and I'm not even a member of 2p2, but just for fun today I had a look at a random post and I found it to be filled with constructive information that I find is sometimes lacking here.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=0#Post6773683

I'm still a noob so I actually learnt something there (maybe it's basic common knowledge).

But anyway, this isn't a competition between FTR and 2p2. They both have their own merits and strongsuits. I do think the original poster has a point, and that maybe we could cut a little bit down on the immature stuff and make a bit more of an effort to supply our forums with more good poker knowledge.

[Black Panther]

it all went downhill when estrop was banned.....

[ensign_lee]

There is actual content here?

ItDepends. You know there is.

Even outside poker, you help make the sportsbetting forum what it is. FTR is a wealth of information if you know how to look.

-ensign_lee

[Ltrain]

Just to add 2cents, I am a regular poster in the limit area and review the community at work sometimes out of boredom for laughs.

The Community is what it is, a place to post funny random things and horse around; no one would or should confuse this area for poker substance and its title specifically disclaims that it is in anyway substantive. Given the natural personalities of people drawn to poker, you can't treat this game, or resources surrounding the game, as "church". There will always be a wild, obscure, non-conforming streak to the game.

However, to discount the substantive forums is not a fair assessment of the site. I have read most poker books, but did not really "learn" limit until this site and help by Fnord, elipsesjeff, koolmoe, Ihategnomes, etc. Plus, the benefit over 2p2 for me is BECAUSE the forum is smaller, so the advise is more direct. 2p2 can be just as bad anyway since they went through a period of "you suck" "no you suck", "well, your the matador and a troll".

So anyway, the poster, if legit, was jumping the gun. Stick around, review old threads before posting so you get an overview of all the knowledge that has been discussed in the past, and post some hand histories for comment. As for the Community, what happened to the movie quote thread?

[gabe]

you can hate all you want but the fact is a lot of people have won alot of money because of ftr, including me

[Alibi]

i haven't won a lot, but I'm getting there

if you don't like here, no one is making you stay....

[Xianti]

Im 1/2 expecting a 'ban' notice in my email box because God forbid I critisized the admins for turning the mood of this forum into a Nazi-esque medium to discuss poker.

You're allowed to criticize me or anyone as much as you want. You won't get penalized for that, as long as you do it respectfully and without petty personal attacks.

They have twice the members with uncensored threads in 1/2 the time FTR has even existed for.

I don't know how long NeverwinPoker has been around, but they certainly don't have twice the members. Snapshot right now... NWP: We have 3294 registered users / In total there are 36 users online. FTR: We have 8400 registered users / In total there are 69 users online. Not that we're competing with them or anything. Just seems your estimate is incorrect.


Thanks for your honest critique.

[LeFou]

Could it be a simple technical issue? I hear people complaining about content-free threads all the time and honestly I don't see much of it. But maybe it's as simple as my browsing habits.

Here's how I access ftr -- always. I've got "View posts since last visit" bookmarked. There are usually at least 2 or 3 threads that I've been "in on", and 2 or 3 by known experts, or with interesting enough titles that I get in on them.

For all I could tell, that was how everyone finds threads. But if it isn't, it should be.

[LimpinAintEZ]

I personally don't check 2p2 very often because it seems uptight and a bunch of math nerds - The only times I've read the articles is when someone from FTR posts a link to a good one (which has happened a few times, thanks) - This site is really good for me - I have found a ton of useful information, it's well organized and well written (read a few sticky's) - For me, I love to play poker and I want to get better so I read as much as I can - But just the same way I play semi LAG, I am not one of these uptight people who want the EXACT 8.356% points of hitting my hand when I can just use the simple 4/2 rule - I don't think thats lazy, I just think that means that not EVERY single thread in this community has to be dead serious - However, the short hand NL section is awesome, the tourney advice is great (there is at least 3 very good opinions/styles written about over there).

What I really like about FTR is that there is all levels of talent in this forum, which is a whole lot like real poker (and real life)...

I would love to add as much content as I could - But I really am very much in the learning stage still and I don't presume to give good advice -especially when there are so many others who give very good advice - But I know Renton is working on new content posts, Chardrian writes good stuff, and DaNuts is writing posts as well -

im rambling, but this forum is perfect for me - Anytime I have a question about how I played a hand I can find quick easy answers...and any time I wanna waste time, there is stuff for that too....I don't think Poker forums have to be so serious all the time-

[LimpinAintEZ]

at the same time, I might have a problem - Last night I had a nightmare that I received a strike...I woke up drenched in sweat - i haven't had a bad dream like that for quite some time....

[Xianti]

BTW, Reloaded, you can turn avatars off:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...poker-7958.htm

And welcome to FTR.



{Moved from Community}

[LimpinAintEZ]

so does that mean my posts count now? AWESOME!

[Renton]

you can hate all you want but the fact is a lot of people have won alot of money because of ftr, including me

[swiggidy]

Ive also noticed that the level of understanding from a poker theory standpoint is at BEST entry level BS.

...

STRIKE 1 !!

LOL

I think you deserve a strike.

The thread destroys the Fundamental Theoreum of FTR. Long thread with content, it's amazing.

FTR rocks. I have fun here. I've learned a lot.

2+2 rocks. I don't post there, but many of the ideas that we use were initially developed at 2+2 (at least for SnGs and MTTs which is where I spend my time reading and posting). It's not as friendly as FTR.

Rarely does anything substantial come from other poker web-sites.

My 2c.

Swig

[Xianti]

Keep in mind, 2+2 has been around much longer than FTR. And it was started with Sklansky and Malmuth, so naturally, it attracted the heavy-duty analysts and strategists very early on in its life.

[LeFou]

Have you seen this ReLoaded guys posts?

Sprayed please don't encourage anyone to limp.

Thank God the poker sites are populated with noobs like yourself.

Sprayed you are missing the whole fuckin point you idiot

Basically what happened is he got in a tiff with Sprayed and decided that was reason enough to open a whole thread about how we all suck and this isn't a real poker forum.

its obvious that very few people here are interested in discussing poker

You have 11 posts counting commune, and 8 or 9 of them are (or include) personal attacks on other people here.

I'm done with ye.

[swiggidy]

Keep in mind, 2+2 has been around much longer than FTR. And it was started with Sklansky and Malmuth, so naturally, it attracted the heavy-duty analysts and strategists very early on in its life.

FTR has Xianti.

[Irisheyes]

I FTR and poker. Thats all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

[LimpinAintEZ]

You have 11 posts counting commune, and 8 or 9 of them are (or include) personal attacks on other people here.

I'm done with ye.

that woulda been a good piece of info to have in the beginning - Figures the one calling others childish and immature is doing it himself -

im done with him to - what a joke

[theDEEPdish]

I'm done with ye.

[swiggidy]

that woulda been a good piece of info to have in the beginning

There is this little thing on the right that says Posts: ##. His ## is 8.

[count voice]8 posts ah, ah, ah[/count voice]

[LimpinAintEZ]

well i meant the attack with the other forum member...not his post count - His post count could very well be 8, but he's read everything on here - My post count is high, and i only talk to read myself in print - I mean, shit, this is almost like being on tv, or getting a book published for me - this is the big time baby!
lol

[swiggidy]

well i meant the attack with the other forum member...not his post count - His post count could very well be 8, but he's read everything on here - My post count is high, and i only talk to read myself in print - I mean, shit, this is almost like being on tv, or getting a book published for me - this is the big time baby!
lol

LOL, attention makes me feel special

[ttanaka]

FTR has Xianti.

Hahahaha!!! Word.

[Miffed22001]

FTR has Xianti.

Hahahaha!!! Word.

damn hes all man!

[vqc]

this thread got really long really fast
do we really need to defend the entire forum against one detractor whose been here for all of 1 month, hasnt tried to join in on a discussion, and then says that we lack content? By all means go to NWP and learn how to take pictures of ur dick. Now THAT is content.

WOOOOOO
ZOMG swiggidy join my clique?

[swiggidy]

WOOOOOO
ZOMG swiggidy join my clique?

What clique?

[vqc]

WOOOOOO
ZOMG swiggidy join my clique?

What clique?

dude, the one with me and reloaded. I dont want him to feel left out. Plus we're hella cool now cuz we have a clique. Sweet.

[swiggidy]

I don't like reloaded. He said bad things about FTR.

It's either him or me.

[Lukie]

I FTR and poker. Thats all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, gabe, how's the new car doing?

[swiggidy]

That was pretty lame. I like this one better.

[jackvance]

LOL

[Xianti]

roffle at me and swiggidy's avatar.

[vqc]

I don't like reloaded. He said bad things about FTR.

It's either him or me.

mmm i pick u

yay i have a clique now.

[euphoricism]

You're all completely avoiding the point, aren't you?

You can attack him all you want. I highly doubt he gives a shit.Yes, he might be a fucknut of a douchebag. Hey reloaded, you're a fucknut of a douchebag. Did I hurt your feelings? Do you care? I doubt you do. I'm just a guy on the other side of a computer monitor.

The question is, is he right?

For better or for worse the admins here need to realize that the poker community is a harsh bunch.....trying to RULE (us) is a losing proposition and enforcing this ridiculous strike system is only going to be FTR's downfall driving prospective members away in droves.

I'd say he's entirely right. Look, we can't have it both ways. We can't have an adult, mature, intellectual forum when one of the forums -- the community called, "THE COMMUNITY" -- is filled with absolute trash. Stories about getting drunk, pr0n pictures, whatever. You just can't have it both ways. If you want a mature community, you have to get rid of filth.

Our problem is with the immature.

Yeah, "Lukie's thread of randomness" is really fucking mature. Oh wait there is also...

My immaturity was tolerated becuase I posted content constantly and like to believe I was pretty fucking funny.

Are you fucking kidding me? Your immaturity is OK, but the problem with the place is that its too immature? Or is it only okay when someone (you?) think its funny?

But ever since the genisis of Triptanes, the immature forum-whore has been a contentless ass-hole spewing 1337 shit from the bowels of a brain that has too much time on its hands but not enough willpower to post meaningful content.

The guy claiming the problem with the forum is immaturity is referring to someone as, " the immature forum-whore [who] has been a contentless ass-hole spewing 1337 shit from the bowels of a brain that has too much time on its hands but not enough willpower to post meaningful content."

Come ON, rilla. I love you, but you've GOT to see the hypocracy. And its not just you. Its all over this fucking place.

The community forum needs to be re-thought. Its a huge drain on the forum. It's a breeding ground for drama. The most logical result would then be two communities, one moderated -- adult, intellectual, meaningful conversations -- and one unmoderated, where people can feel free to post their drunken party stories. As long as the unmoderated crap doesn't spill into our adult, mature conversations -- let it go.

[swiggidy]

I don't like reloaded. He said bad things about FTR.

It's either him or me.

mmm i pick u

yay i have a clique now.

attention makes me feel special

[LimpinAintEZ]

You're all completely avoiding the point, aren't you?

I think the only point that matters is that we (the masses of FTR) are RIGHT and that guy is wrong - im kidding, kind of - but the point is that democracy rules, and if 50 guys say its cool, and 1 guy says we're jackasses, then guess what - good riddance 1 out of 50 -

Also, your being a bit too critical of us, I think - We post crap in the community because we (i'll exclude myself) are pretty fucking cool - Nobody said "please read all the community posts" like they are required reading - If you have 50 content threads, and 1 bullshit thread, its pretty obvious that there is plenty of choice -

but anyone who criticizes my FTR, because they can't handle their Pissing contest with another member, gets zero respect in my book - There are Plenty of content threads - If you've been here for 2 weeks you know what to read and what to avoid (if you need to avoid the fun stuff, that is) - if you check lukies thread and see it as mostly crap, DON'T CHECK IT ANYMORE - if you like it (like 98% of us do) then you just read it for what it is....pretty simple in my opinion....

[euphoricism]

Couldn't that be said about EVERY post made by Pu$$y, Po$3$$3D, TripTanes, etc etc? Just ignore them, why do they seem to bother you all so much?

[swiggidy]

Couldn't that be said about EVERY post made by Pu$$y, Po$3$$3D, TripTanes, etc etc? Just ignore them, why do they seem to bother you all so much?

If the general content in the community bothers you as much as the posts of the recently banned, then you have a fair argument that the community sucks.

IMO, the recently banned bombed threads with completely empty posts and mindless trash talk. A large portion of the community puts thought into their trash talk there-by creating some semblance of content.

I personally find it very amusing.

[Irisheyes]

euphoricism has some good points. I really don't see what the big problem is though.

1) Picking which threads have no content and ignoring them is easy peasy.
2) Picking out threads with content and participating is easy.
Low content threads can be funny.
3) If you don't want to laugh just don't open them.
4) I couldn't care less if 1 person out of every 50 new people doesn't like out forum.
5) There is good poker content in the fourms where it should be.

Whats the big deal?

[vqc]

so yeah, i read 2+2 today and learnt nothing.

So much for content, waht does pokcet5s have? a bunch of high rollers. gg medium stakes players.

btw, what do you really want. A bunch of posts by proffessors on poker theorem who have little knowledge of how the game really plays, or a bunch of real life hand historys from players learning new situations?
I know which I'D rather learn from

Don't get me wrong, I love FTR and I'm not even a member of 2p2, but just for fun today I had a look at a random post and I found it to be filled with constructive information that I find is sometimes lacking here.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=0#Post6773683

I'm still a noob so I actually learnt something there (maybe it's basic common knowledge).

But anyway, this isn't a competition between FTR and 2p2. They both have their own merits and strongsuits. I do think the original poster has a point, and that maybe we could cut a little bit down on the immature stuff and make a bit more of an effort to supply our forums with more good poker knowledge.

read the SNG forum much have u?
at least 500 of my 5000 posts are content filled. Like, TO THE BRIM WITH CONTENT. ok maybe 400. But thats alot already.

[swiggidy]

read the SNG forum much have u?
at least 500 of my 5000 posts are content filled. Like, TO THE BRIM WITH CONTENT. ok maybe 400. But thats alot already.

And we have a sweet clique.