Blind war - QQ

[Pelion]

Villain is 31 / 7 after 50 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($24.05)
MP ($4.45)
CO ($49.35)
Button ($4.30)
Hero ($28.90)
BB ($48.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $0.9, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 5, 8, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $40.90 (All-In), Hero calls $13.90 (All-In).

River: ($77.80) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $77.80

[Pelion]

OK no replies?

Does that mean this was ok, or just too horrible to bear looking at?

[arkana]

I dont like your check raise on the turn too much after his min raise on the flop. After he pushes you should have folded (unless you have a history or some other reads).

I think it would have been better to lead the turn strong and fold to a raise. If he calls you cc or cf the river. The reasoning being that those minraises on the flop are normally the nuts or (less often) a marginal hand testing the waters.

[Pelion]

Yea ok that makes sense. Thanks for the reply.

[Miffed22001]

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

[Fimanoid]

Re-raise potsize on the flop.

[Halv]

Yeah, 3bet that flop. If he pushes then you might find a fold, or you might not.

As played until turn c/r, I think I smooth call his small turn bet and look to get either a Q or a cheap showdown.

[arkana]

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

[andy-akb]

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

[Miffed22001]

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

this was more my line of thinking rather than a set or two pair.

[arkana]

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

I dont agree, sure in a blind battle the average hand is slightly weaker but from my experience people dont go to the felt with TPTK-TPGK, Middle pair nearly as often in blind battles as a lot of people think, they tend to play smallball. Overpairs on the other hand they overplay and stack off all the time, because hey its a blind battle the other guy must have crap.

Just because the chances of your opponent having a strong hand is slimmer doesn't mean it stays slimmer when his bets say otherwise. I mean come on, Hero bet the flop, got minraised and then check raised the turn big and that still doesnt phase this guy at all.

[Miffed22001]

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

I dont agree, sure in a blind battle the average hand is slightly weaker but from my experience people dont go to the felt with TPTK-TPGK, Middle pair nearly as often in blind battles as a lot of people think, they tend to play smallball. Overpairs on the other hand they overplay and stack off all the time, because hey its a blind battle the other guy must have crap.

Just because the chances of your opponent having a strong hand is slimmer doesn't mean it stays slimmer when his bets say otherwise. I mean come on, Hero bet the flop, got minraised and then check raised the turn big and that still doesnt phase this guy at all.

how often does JJ stack off here?

[Miffed22001]

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

I dont agree, sure in a blind battle the average hand is slightly weaker but from my experience people dont go to the felt with TPTK-TPGK, Middle pair nearly as often in blind battles as a lot of people think, they tend to play smallball. Overpairs on the other hand they overplay and stack off all the time, because hey its a blind battle the other guy must have crap.

Just because the chances of your opponent having a strong hand is slimmer doesn't mean it stays slimmer when his bets say otherwise. I mean come on, Hero bet the flop, got minraised and then check raised the turn big and that still doesnt phase this guy at all.

how often does JJ stack off here?

for that matter add TT too.

[arkana]

The opponent's line doesnt look like TT-JJ to me in this hand.

[samsonite2100]

I 3bet this flop and probably fold to a push. Too often in these situations, the BB is thinking you're FOS and trying to steal his precious. The 3bet makes it clear you actually have a good hand and if he shoves over you, you know he does too--probably one that beats you.
I think calling the flop minbet and check-raising the turn is about the worst line possible as this is a WA/WB scenario. CRing the turn either scares off hands we beat like smaller PPs/A8 or inflates the pot against monsters like sets and straights.

[samsonite2100]

To be clear, I like 3betting the flop for hand definition purposes, but I also think just calling the minbet and going into check/call mode thereafter is not a bad line to take here, either.

[BankItDrew]

The problem with 3-betting in these situations is that a set could easily min raise for a 4-bet. Now, it's only another $10 to call in an already $50 pot and you have a strong overpair.

I prefer to let the raiser take over the betting after min raises. I know this sounds weak but it's better than getting it all in on the flop against a set. You could also initiate the betting OOP on the turn - if you get raised you can make an easy fold. If called - you're probably leading. If in position on the turn, you can raise his turn bet and voila - same situation as OOP on turn.

I know it's all a little confusing, but that's because it is. Every decision depends on reads and whatnot. If this guy is raising 31% of pots, you can safely assume your hand is good.

[samsonite2100]

I think if we make a healthy 3bet and are minraised again, we can fold and feel good about it.