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Um, what kind of note do you make for this guy?

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  1. #1

    Default Um, what kind of note do you make for this guy?

    His short term 38 hand stats were reasonable, though hyperaggro: 21/5.3/7.0

    Repping a set at 25NL seems like a stupid idea to me. When you next get in a hand with him, do you just keep hammering away at him?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB ($24.75)
    BB ($25.85)
    UTG ($13.95)
    UTG+1 ($5.85)
    Hero ($26.95)
    MP1 ($21.50)
    MP2 ($28.65)
    MP3 ($6.25)
    CO ($24.90)
    Button ($23.40)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T, T. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, MP1 calls $1.25, 6 folds, UTG+1 folds.

    Flop: ($3.10) 4, T, 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.75, MP1 raises to $5.5, Hero raises to $9.25, MP1 calls $14.75 (All-In), Hero calls $11.

    Turn: ($43.60) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($43.60) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $43.60

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
    MP1 has 2h 2c (one pair, twos).
    Outcome: Hero wins $43.60.
  2. #2
    if he bluffs more than he calls then its probably best to slowplay against him.

    Edit: looks like i totally forgot the question. Id write pretty much the same as andy here.
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  3. #3
    Id probably just write "Raised and reraised PFRer's cbet AI with 22 on 4dTs3s board" or somewthing like that.

    I know this thread isnt really about how you played the hand, but why make a solid lead and then minraise 3bet? Id probably push here.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by andy-akb
    Id probably just write "Raised and reraised PFRer's cbet AI with 22 on 4dTs3s board" or somewthing like that.

    I know this thread isnt really about how you played the hand, but why make a solid lead and then minraise 3bet? Id probably push here.
    Because I had the best hand at that point and didn't want to let him make an easy fold if he was bluffing. If he's bluffing he views the minraise as weak (as in this case) and he pushes for me. Given the size of his reraise I thought that was likely to happen. If he's got a lower set he pushes anyway. If he's got some TPGK or 2 pair hand he's practically drawing dead; with a minraise to his reraise he at least calls (I don't see him laying down to a minraise after that healthy raise with either of those hands) but *might* find a fold to a push. The only other thing I thought he might have was Asxs (which I've seen 25NL players push on the flop anyway) and I just wanted to keep the pot alive and growing. My plan loses a lot of juice if a spade comes on the turn, but what the hell-- I'll take that chance with top set here.

    Maybe that line of thinking's dumb and if there are flaws in it, I'm sure open for discussion.
  5. #5
    I have alot of notes that when I open to check just say MORON! And I consider it all encompassing.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by drtofu66
    Quote Originally Posted by andy-akb
    Id probably just write "Raised and reraised PFRer's cbet AI with 22 on 4dTs3s board" or somewthing like that.

    I know this thread isnt really about how you played the hand, but why make a solid lead and then minraise 3bet? Id probably push here.
    Because I had the best hand at that point and didn't want to let him make an easy fold if he was bluffing. If he's bluffing he views the minraise as weak (as in this case) and he pushes for me. Given the size of his reraise I thought that was likely to happen. If he's got a lower set he pushes anyway. If he's got some TPGK or 2 pair hand he's practically drawing dead; with a minraise to his reraise he at least calls (I don't see him laying down to a minraise after that healthy raise with either of those hands) but *might* find a fold to a push. The only other thing I thought he might have was Asxs (which I've seen 25NL players push on the flop anyway) and I just wanted to keep the pot alive and growing. My plan loses a lot of juice if a spade comes on the turn, but what the hell-- I'll take that chance with top set here.

    Maybe that line of thinking's dumb and if there are flaws in it, I'm sure open for discussion.
    I like a minraise here. You want to give him as many opportunities as possible to allin bluff and you have a read that says he'll probably try. The other option is to think for ages and then just call his raise on the flop. He might try to push you off the turn that way. The main problem with this line is that you are out of position so the pot stops growing and you run a real risk of him checking behind the turn, especially if the flush completes.
    I think the minraise works best in this case.
    gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

    bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by drtofu66
    Because I had the best hand at that point and didn't want to let him make an easy fold if he was bluffing. If he's bluffing he views the minraise as weak (as in this case) and he pushes for me. Given the size of his reraise I thought that was likely to happen. If he's got a lower set he pushes anyway. If he's got some TPGK or 2 pair hand he's practically drawing dead; with a minraise to his reraise he at least calls (I don't see him laying down to a minraise after that healthy raise with either of those hands) but *might* find a fold to a push. The only other thing I thought he might have was Asxs (which I've seen 25NL players push on the flop anyway) and I just wanted to keep the pot alive and growing. My plan loses a lot of juice if a spade comes on the turn, but what the hell-- I'll take that chance with top set here.

    Maybe that line of thinking's dumb and if there are flaws in it, I'm sure open for discussion.
    I'm definately not in the camp of saying minraises always suck etc. Here are my thoughts on this:

    On some occassions, it might indeed be the best line to take. This might be one of them. The "flaw" of this, is a metagame one mostly. If an aware player sees through your habit of minraising your monsters because you want others to come over the top of it, this is going to work to your disadvantage in the future. If it always means the same thing when you take a certain line, you become predictable, which is just as bad as it gets in poker. Ofcourse, your opponents would need to be aware.. at the lower stakes not too problematic probably. You'll more likely get horribly owned at higher stakes with subtle predictability in your plays.

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