If I have a pair, and the next guy has a pair...

[Warpe]

Question for the number crunchers amongst you: It seems very common for more than one person to get pocket pairs in a hand. We've all seen it. It seems so common, in fact, that when I get a pair I tend to assume that at least one other player is holding a pair as well.

When you think about it, the fact that you hold a pair should slightly increase the odds that another player will...if two players hold a pair, then it should increase the odds that a third player does...and so on....because each pair dealt leaves more pairs in the deck.

I don't know if it's statistically significant enough to be useful in any way, but I am curious as to how it crunches out.

[Pelion]

I dont think it makes much of a difference. If you get delt an A, and then you get delt another A thats only 1/51 of the remaining cards that have changed. I dont think that really makes a huge difference. Sure it will make some difference but i doubt its big enough to notice except after like..... a million hands?

[BankItDrew]

Not significant enough to consider.

[AceJackAJA]

although you are more statistically probable to geta pair somewhere in the hand than getting nothing, getting pocket pair only will SLIGHTLY increase the chances of someone else getting a pocket pair. I would never, for instance, think 'crap i have pocket 8's so now the others have a bigger chance of getting a pocket pair too'. Me just saying

[Warpe]

Guess the crash deleted a bunch of posts from this thread.

Anyway...:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...456&highlight=

[swiggidy]

I don't know if someone answered before, but here's some numbers:
If you have a pp, there are 73 other possible ways to make a pp. If you don't have a pp, there are 72 possible ways to make a pp. Since you already have 2 cards there are 1225 possible starting hands so:
AA => 5.96% chance someone else has a pair
AK => 5.88% chance someone else has a pair

EDIT: These are the odds that any one person has a pair, not that anyone does. That would vary depending on the number of people at the table

As for the KK,QQ,JJ. That's pretty improbable (1 in 10,000,000)