Standard?

[johnny_fish]

Probably standard.. How bad is the preflop call?

** Game ID 595698826 starting - 2005-11-30 17:48:53
** Revolver [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- moniqi sitting in seat 1 with $100.00
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 3 with $98.00
- Ugrath sitting in seat 4 with $264.36
- mismis sitting in seat 5 with $38.08
- GaggeIhl sitting in seat 6 with $19.90
- Biggis sitting in seat 8 with $81.55
- Belushi sitting in seat 10 with $107.15 [Dealer]

moniqi posted the small blind - $0.50
johnny291281 posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Queen of Spades, Ace of Spades
Ugrath folded
mismis folded
GaggeIhl folded
Biggis folded
Belushi raised - $5.00
moniqi folded
johnny291281 called - $5.00

** Dealing the flop: Jack of Spades, 5 of Clubs, 10 of Spades
johnny291281 checked
Belushi bet - $7.00
johnny291281 raised - $20.00
Belushi went all-in - $95.15
johnny291281 went all-in - $74.00
Belushi shows: Queen of Hearts, Queen of Diamonds

** Dealing the turn: Jack of Hearts

** Dealing the river: 9 of Hearts
Belushi wins $195.50 from the main pot

End of game 595698826

edit: should be posted in the HH forum.

[r8ed]

Why did you rereaise the initial flop bet? I assume you want him to fold?

[BankItDrew]

Nothing wrong with the pre-flop call.

You should have at most called the flop. What were you hoping he had when you called his AI? KJs ? He obviously had you beat.

[EricE]

Nothing wrong with the pre-flop call.

...unless you dislike being dominated by AK, AA, KK, QQ.

On the flop...trying to push him off is OK but why call the flop raise? Because you have a crystal ball that shows you will make your flush this time? Fold.

[johnny_fish]

Folding would be a crime. I tried to take fold equity with the checkraise.

Board: Js 5c Ts

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 55.4545 % 54.55% 00.91% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 44.5455 % 43.64% 00.91% { QdQh }

Hand 1: 47.1212 % 46.67% 00.45% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 52.8788 % 52.42% 00.45% { AdAh }

[EricE]

Folding would be a crime. I tried to take fold equity with the checkraise.

Board: Js 5c Ts

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 55.4545 % 54.55% 00.91% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 44.5455 % 43.64% 00.91% { QdQh }

Hand 1: 47.1212 % 46.67% 00.45% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 52.8788 % 52.42% 00.45% { AdAh }

hmmm. Flush draw gives 9 outs. A add 2 outs. Backdoor straight gives something like 2 outs moving you above 50% to win. OK, I stand corrected.

[r8ed]

Folding would be a crime. I tried to take fold equity with the checkraise.

Board: Js 5c Ts

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 55.4545 % 54.55% 00.91% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 44.5455 % 43.64% 00.91% { QdQh }

Hand 1: 47.1212 % 46.67% 00.45% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 52.8788 % 52.42% 00.45% { AdAh }

hmmm. Flush draw gives 9 outs. A add 2 outs. Backdoor straight gives something like 2 outs moving you above 50% to win. OK, I stand corrected.

How do you know you aren't up against trips? You are totally dominated there and that's exactly what I would do with trips.

[azureXsmurF]

I wouldn't have called the AI on a draw. I would've called his initial bet just to see if you could get the straight, but if you didn't don't put anymore money in the pot.

[Lukie]

I don't see anything wrong here, although there are a lot of ways it could potentially be played on different streets. I don't really see how you can find a fold though unlike what some people are saying.

[m3laNcholy]

Well played.

[r8ed]

I don't see anything wrong here, although there are a lot of ways it could potentially be played on different streets. I don't really see how you can find a fold though unlike what some people are saying.

I'm not saying definitely fold, but you still have to think about a set here too. Stats were shown vs. non-trips to justify the call. I think if the results weren't shown, more people would mention trips.

[Lukie]

I don't see anything wrong here, although there are a lot of ways it could potentially be played on different streets. I don't really see how you can find a fold though unlike what some people are saying.

I'm not saying definitely fold, but you still have to think about a set here too. Stats were shown vs. non-trips to justify the call. I think if the results weren't shown, more people would mention trips.

How would you have played this hand? I'm very curious.

[Lukie]

Just had some marinated tilapia from my grocery store... amazing. We should have a forum exclusively for discussing food.

Anyway..
Let's assume he has a set.

Hero has what.. 11 clean outs? Hero needs to hit, and avoid the board pairing on the other street. Just a guess due to laziness, but hero is probably about 30% to win the hand. Let's just say 2:1 against for simplicity's sake.

Based on your posts, it seems like you favor a fold to villain's push. If you want to play the hand differently then that, let me know, but that's what it sounds like. IMO a more logical place to fold is preflop.. OOP facing a 5xBB raise is tough, but I'm not folding here preflop from a button raiser unless the raiser was very tight. Anyway let's figure out what kind of odds our hero is getting... something I havn't done yet.

All of villain's effective stack = $99
Money hero has put into the pot = $25

= $124, ignoring rake and SB for simplicity's sake.

Hero is getting 124:74, or about 5:3. From our math above, we know hero needs 2:1 to call here vs a set, which he doesn't have.

Unless villain flashes you the cards showing you a set, the likelihood that he DOESN'T have one makes this a trivially easy call.

[Lukie]

Also, just want to add something here. I'm not saying it was played poorly, but I think a better line is to lead out on the flop, even if you are expecting a bet if you check. Push if you get raised behind.

If Villain just calls the check-raise as played, you are in a very tough spot on 4th street if you miss. An A may be good but not the Q. A Q may be good but not the A. Being first to act you won't have a good idea.

If you miss completely, you are out of position on 4th street on a draw with a sizeable portion of your stack in the pot, which is always a bad situation. If all the money is going to end up in the middle, you want it to be on the flop with you pushing or after you hit.

[journey075]

well played. definitely a high variance approach though.

[r8ed]

How would you have played this hand? I'm very curious.

I usually re-raise for these reasons:
1. To get somebody to fold.
2. To find out where I stand.
3. To get more money in the pot because I'm confident I will win.

That's why I asked if he wanted a fold by re-raising. If it was for reason #2, then he found out he's behind but ignored it. #3 doesn't make sense here because you can't be totally confident you will win.

My line is to call the flop bet - he's letting you see the turn card fairly cheap. You could get him to fold on the turn if you push when the Jack hits. He would have to seriously think he's behind if you make this move but he may still call. I think I would pass on this however and lead out 1/2 to full pot and see what he does. Hopefully he just calls. At this point if he pushes or reraises big, then I fold. I missed my flush and a king. It's easy and hard to think about this now that I know the results. If I'm in the hand and have a feeling for the way he plays, then it's different. I might have done the same thing depending on how I feel.

What is boils down to is I like calling on the flop to see if I can improve on the turn. When I'm behind, which you must assume here, I like to improve cheaply.

[johnny_fish]

Board: Js 5c Ts

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 34.7475 % 34.75% 00.00% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 65.2525 % 65.25% 00.00% { JdJh }

74/195.5=~37,9%