What's so great about suited connectors?

[r8ed]

Everyone says to limp LP. I know "implied odds" and all, but say you play 67s and you hit the flop for a flush or you hit 2/3 of the flop. Is there really a way you can tell if somebody has a higher flush wihout sinking too much money into the pot? When I play these hands I'm hoping to hit the straight because the flush just doesn't sit well with me.

[CrunchyNuts]

If 20% of the time they have a higher flush and 80% of the time they have TPTK, would you risk your stack?

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Is there really a way you can tell if somebody has a higher flush wihout sinking too much money into the pot?

Do you also play tentatively when you have a set because you're afraid someone may have a higher set?

[LeFou]

seems like, if you can't sink a lot of money in a pot with a good hand (e.g. a flush of any size) then NL might not be for you.

Personally, I'm off the little suited connectors. Having much better results with an aokrongly approach. But it's 'cause I prefer a low-stress game right now. LSCs are profitable enough.

[Laeelin]

Having much better results with an aokrongly approach.

Are you talking about the Counter-Play theory?

[jmontis]

suited connectors are good in deep money games, due to the implied odds.

Also, if you have a flush with 56s, look to push it pretty hard, a higher flush is very unlikely.

Sets or better are generally hands i will TRY to go broke with, because it's the best hand just about every time.

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[storm75m]

What's so great about suited connectors??

They're just so damn pretty, that's all.

Most of the time I have no problem paying off a higher flush, since it happens so rarely.

[jmontis]

yea the crappy thing is about suited gappers is you're less likely to flop a straight draw. The connectors are a little less hidden but you get the draw more often.

[LeFou]

Having much better results with an aokrongly approach.

Are you talking about the Counter-Play theory?

no i basically been camping.

[r8ed]

I just looked in PT and saw that they are profitable for me. Taking 23s - TJs (about 100 times), I never hit the flush, but 76s hit a straight for $26 profit, which without I would be a little negative. I don't think I would fold to a higher flush but what are the statistics that somebody will have a higher flush than you if you hold say 56s?

I'll mess up the math, so somebody who passed 5th grade math please oblige. Thanks.

[jmontis]

funny I posted earlier, because I busted out of a live .50-1 NL cash game tonight with a lower flush. I *may* have folded it if my position was behind the guy with the nut flush, because he's a super-weak tight player that NEVER bluffs and always checks against a possible "better" hand.

action went something like Mp1 Bet ($6), Mp2 call, Me (all-in), weak-tight (all-in with nut flush).

Even when I heard him say 'call' i just said, "fuck" and knew he had me before he flipped the cards.

Despite busting tonight, I usually murder that game for a healthy rate, almost to the point of not getting invited back.

[salsa4ever]

i think it could be just my tunnel vision

but i think i lost twice with an underflush in the last 30 minutes

Yeah, well a smaller flush loses a stack (100BB) to a higher flush say 90% of the time. That's -90BB expectation for making your hand.

It only happens very rarely though. Here is the catch: it ALWAYS happens on 3-flush boards. Set-over-set cannot be predicted, because it can happen on any board with overcards, any time. The restrictions are much looser. But getting A WHOLE LOT OF ACTION on a 3-flush board usually means flush. The question is... do you feel lucky?

[biondino]

My one comment on this thread: F***ING 4-FLUSH BOARDS I HATE YOU SO MUCH

[Irisheyes]

My one comment on this thread: F***ING 4-FLUSH BOARDS I HATE YOU SO MUCH

You should play Axs, its a big money winner because this happens so much.

I swear.

[Lexicon Devil]

They're alot more valuable for their straight potential than their flush potential.

It seems to me that if you never played suited connectors and your opponents caught on, you'd be alot easier to beat.

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[r8ed]

A/x suited < suckers hand

I'm a sucker. I limp from the button every time, but I don't get caught up chasing post flop.

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[Rondavu]

Basically the more aggressive a table is, the higher the implied value of suited connectors becomes. On Pokerchamps 100NL suited connectors are GOLD. Someone flops and A holding AK, and you turn a straight or flush you take a very large pot. Like $250 range. Highly aggressive. Slightly donkish.

On a passive table, they become valuable for a different reason. It's cheap to draw. You don't see a raised pot with them however. You limp from all over the place with all sorts of longshot potential hands. I've been at tables where 80% of all pots are limping pots. I limp from any position on these tables with all sorts of stuff.

[jukejointroach]

AsKs is a suited connector.