JJ

[Muxy]

PokerStars Game #2401408786: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/08/22 - 23:06:10 (ET)
Table 'Eltanin' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Maintown ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Escape2112 ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 3: mikeblub ($7.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Fred F Fred ($33.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Muxxxy ($26.10 in chips)
Seat 6: iampeetor ($9.25 in chips)
Muxxxy: posts small blind $0.10
iampeetor: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Muxxxy [Jd Jc]
Maintown: folds
Escape2112: folds
mikeblub: folds
Fred F Fred: calls $0.25
Muxxxy: raises $0.75 to $1
iampeetor: calls $0.75
Fred F Fred: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Jh 6c Kd]
Muxxxy: checks
iampeetor: bets $0.25
Fred F Fred: raises $0.75 to $1
Muxxxy: calls $1
iampeetor: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [Jh 6c Kd] [Ks]
Muxxxy: checks
iampeetor: bets $2
Fred F Fred: folds
Muxxxy: raises $5 to $7
iampeetor: raises $0.25 to $7.25 and is all-in
Muxxxy: calls $0.25
*** RIVER *** [Jh 6c Kd Ks] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Muxxxy: shows [Jd Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
iampeetor: shows [Js Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
iampeetor collected $19.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.50 | Rake $1
Board [Jh 6c Kd Ks 4d]
Seat 1: Maintown folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Escape2112 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mikeblub folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Fred F Fred (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Muxxxy (small blind) showed [Jd Jc] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Kings
Seat 6: iampeetor (big blind) showed [Js Kh] and won ($19.50) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks

Played good? Bad? Help please.

[ensign_lee]

you might try just smooth calling the flop. There's nothing there that can hurt you and you're giving TPTK a reason to fold.

You can't avoid losing your stack with second nuts here; no. NEVER.

[Muxy]

Yeah i put him on AK.

Seems like this would be a good line for AK.

[Miffed22001]

bcoz i know how bad they are at that level its an easy KJ read when he goes over you (notice how he flat calls the flop thinking he is far ahead)
I'd push the flop at this level. You might get him to fold but i doubt it. He'd probably be happy to pay sets off or too stupid to guess at one. But the turn has you so screwed. When he pushes if you could id fold but i think you pay him anyway.
I only suggest this as i know they call raises with dominated hands like KJ and id be real happy with that board on the flop but not on the turn.

[dsaxton]

Bet on the flop to conceal your hand, win the most from a player with a made hand on the flop, and avoid giving a free card to A-Q. What's the point of check-calling a bet and a raise? It's not even very deceptive.

You're trying to make money, right? Bet your hands.

[Drewbie]

I go broke here as well.
Can't fold second boat.
You hope he has a King but thats the only hand besides KK you were worried about.

[Rondavu]

You can't expect to escape every time you're beat. You pay one hand off to get payed by the next two. Not a big deal.

This post should be in the bad beat forum. There's no advice expected or available for an unescapable hand such as this.

[drmcboy]

What's the point of check-calling a bet and a raise?

Flop is ugly, after that you go broke. But look how much better you'd feel if you re raised, he moved in and you got to call it a suck out.

[Muxy]

You can't expect to escape every time you're beat. You pay one hand off to get payed by the next two. Not a big deal.

This post should be in the bad beat forum. There's no advice expected or available for an unescapable hand such as this.

I dont consider this a bad beat.

I did get advice I will not smooth call the flop bet but instead re-raise.

I got some advice from this thread.

Thank you.

[outphase]

you're paying off KJ/KK and AK/66 is paying you off... Unless of course you can justify folding to his INSANE all in bet of $.25