standard fold?

[gabe]

***** Hand History for Game 2280657624 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, June 29, 01:54:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 36849 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: Stowhat ( $84.95 )
Seat 5: Aharon ( $151 )
Seat 7: milklover ( $142.5 )
Seat 8: nckstradamus ( $94 )
Seat 9: rishpaul ( $126.42 )
Seat 10: arbitraryone ( $38 )
Seat 2: gabefish ( $142.55 )
Seat 4: SDMuppet ( $99.5 )
Seat 1: wypmey ( $99 )
Seat 6: Hollywade ( $100 )
Aharon posts small blind [$0.5].
Hollywade posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gabefish [ Qh Qd ]
milklover raises [$2].
nckstradamus folds.
rishpaul calls [$2].
arbitraryone calls [$2].
wypmey folds.
gabefish raises [$9].
Stowhat folds.
SDMuppet folds.
Aharon folds.
Hollywade folds.
milklover is all-In [$140.5]
rishpaul folds.
arbitraryone folds.
gabefish folds.
milklover does not show cards.
milklover wins $157

[ensign_lee]

uh.....yeah, you kinda have to fold here, unless you have a read on him.

Every once in a while, you comes across those players that are just absolutely MANIACAL, and you can call, but with no clean reads, you have to fold here.

Earlier today, I raised preflop with QQ in late position and got a board of 3 5 7, two of one suit on the board. Pot's $50 at this point. Checked to me, and I bet $25 ('cause the small stack had $30. I wanted to reraise after somebody called, or if somebody reraised extra hard, I could fold with less money lost). Well, smallstack folded and then maniac guy with freaking $1200 calls. Turn's a 6, which is kind of scary for me, because this guy really can be holding any two cards, and that 4 will break me. Maniac bets the pot, $99, with a freaking pair of 3's, ace kicker. Normally, I fold to this, but this guy's insane. I call (though I should have pushed all in 'cause I only had $60 left at that point), and then push all in on the river, to which he calls with a pair of 3's, ace kicker.

Anyway, less: Maniacs are maniacs, but you have to respect gigantic all-in's from random opponents. I used to know this one guy, every time he got aces, he'd push all in preflop, regardless of anything. He said he got called once every 4-5 times, and that made up for the times he only got the blinds. I dunno about that strategy, but if he was crazy enough to use it, then others may be as well. You have to fold in your spot there; sorry.

[spino1i]

yup, good fold, minraise UTG is often done by AA or KK

[ensign_lee]

And also, a few days ago, a guy pushed all into me with queens kinda like the situation that you described. Not half an hour earlier, he'd gone all in with AQ off and lost to QQ, so I thought he might be doing it again. Nope...he had AA...my $130 profit that night turned into a -$200 loss.... Lesson learned...I guess.

[DimitriT]

Yea, I'd only call him if he was a tiny-stack and a known idjit.